Re: Chopin Et. 25-12 Played by 10 year old...

[agntmoldr]

For some reason it didn't put anything in the first post so... here it is...

&search=chopin%20etude

This is the only other info I could find on the young pianist...

https://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_11_55/ai_65014621

What do you guys think?

[quantum]

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,16395.msg176418.html

[emmdoubleew]

For some reason it didn't put anything in the first post so... here it is...

&search=chopin%20etude

This is the only other info I could find on the young pianist...

https://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_11_55/ai_65014621

What do you guys think?

hahahahha.
Look at my forum name.
Then in the YouTube link look at the name of the poster.

[ilikefinnissy]

I think you could use this video as another piece of evidence for the argument that piano playing and a speed technique have nothing to do with finger strength/ "dexterity".

[nervous_wreck]

i don't understand why he gets the attention. his performance was kind of empty, just playing the notes. which is 1 mroe reason why i stand by my opinion that even if children are exceptional technically, if they can't get the music emotionally, they'll mess themselves up later on. i don't think it's soooo so incredibly rare to meet a child that can move his fingers like lightening, almost every single person in the professional piano world can do that.

[maul]

hahahahha.
Look at my forum name.
Then in the YouTube link look at the name of the poster.

You didn't originally post the file you simply uploaded it to youtube so.... who.... cares?

[emmdoubleew]

You didn't originally post the file you simply uploaded it to youtube so.... who.... cares?

Why the random hate?

This was posted a long time ago and I put it on youtube for practical purposes, then I just pointed it out...

i don't understand why he gets the attention. his performance was kind of empty, just playing the notes. which is 1 mroe reason why i stand by my opinion that even if children are exceptional technically, if they can't get the music emotionally, they'll mess themselves up later on. i don't think it's soooo so incredibly rare to meet a child that can move his fingers like lightening, almost every single person in the professional piano world can do that.

You're completely missing the point.
Of course we're not admiring the pianist. I'd listen to Cziffra or Garilov over him any day, we're admring the potential, because if a kid this age can do this, imagine what he will be able to do when he is old enough to be musically mature. And what's up with the last sentence. You're comparing a 10 year old kid to the proffessional piano world?  The very fact that you're doing that should say something about this boy's abilities.

[maul]

...because it's like the third time I've seen you point it out. It's not like you are hosting it on your personal server or something. Anyone can upload to youtube.

[emmdoubleew]

...because it's like the third time I've seen you point it out. It's not like you are hosting it on your personal server or something. Anyone can upload to youtube.

I guess you're right.

I just find it amusing that people keep reposting the videos I put up on youtube when I actually downloaded them from here. Says something about redundancy.

[nervous_wreck]

You're completely missing the point.
Of course we're not admiring the pianist. I'd listen to Cziffra or Garilov over him any day, we're admring the potential, because if a kid this age can do this, imagine what he will be able to do when he is old enough to be musically mature. And what's up with the last sentence. You're comparing a 10 year old kid to the proffessional piano world?  Undecided The very fact that you're doing that should say something about this boy's abilities.

i really don't think i'm missing the point, the boy just shouldn't be playing this stuff before he is emotionally read. he's setting himself up for much frusteration int he future, cause right now people are telling him all he has to do is play fast and empty.
and for my last sentence, i just think people are giving him too much destructive attention. attention like that at such an early age, i think can kind of destroy creativity and potential. he'll have had too much early exposer, and there's something to be said about the journy of becoming a pianist. it's practically what gives you the ability to play.

[emmdoubleew]

i really don't think i'm missing the point, the boy just shouldn't be playing this stuff before he is emotionally read. he's setting himself up for much frusteration int he future, cause right now people are telling him all he has to do is play fast and empty.
and for my last sentence, i just think people are giving him too much destructive attention. attention like that at such an early age, i think can kind of destroy creativity and potential. he'll have had too much early exposer, and there's something to be said about the journy of becoming a pianist. it's practically what gives you the ability to play.

What?
Both Mozart and Liszt went on a nation-wide tours when they were 9 years old.

And whether he plays chopsticks or chopetz he will be uncapable of emotional playing, he's a kid! So  why not play the piece that's actually going to improve his technique?

[archneko]

i really don't think i'm missing the point, the boy just shouldn't be playing this stuff before he is emotionally read. he's setting himself up for much frusteration int he future, cause right now people are telling him all he has to do is play fast and empty.
and for my last sentence, i just think people are giving him too much destructive attention. attention like that at such an early age, i think can kind of destroy creativity and potential. he'll have had too much early exposer, and there's something to be said about the journy of becoming a pianist. it's practically what gives you the ability to play.

At least he is trying to play it emotionally by trying to move back and forth in his chair which is pretty robotic, but if hes anything like the bicentenial man, he can play emotionally. (I think)
Well what do I know, I'm an amateur.

[nervous_wreck]

What?
Both Mozart and Liszt went on a nation-wide tours when they were 9 years old.

And whether he plays chopsticks or chopetz he will be uncapable of emotional playing, he's a kid! So  why not play the piece that's actually going to improve his technique?

i'm not sure how good mozart was when he was 6-9 years old, personally i've never heard him play.
you actually sort of proved my point for me, by bringing liszt into the picture. czerny himself said about liszt that his playing was "rather wilde and confused in every respect, the enormous bravura notwithstanding". I find liszt to be somewhat empty and boring at times. I think it's a dangerous thing to have someone who is not emotionally ready for a piece to play it even if they are technically ready, mental mistakes are just as serious as physical ones.

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

Perhaps the kid isn't emotionally ready for the piece, but he is only 10. In time he will understand the piece better and already will know how to play it.

Hope this helps.

[emmdoubleew]

i'm not sure how good mozart was when he was 6-9 years old, personally i've never heard him play.
you actually sort of proved my point for me, by bringing liszt into the picture. czerny himself said about liszt that his playing was "rather wilde and confused in every respect, the enormous bravura notwithstanding". I find liszt to be somewhat empty and boring at times. I think it's a dangerous thing to have someone who is not emotionally ready for a piece to play it even if they are technically ready, mental mistakes are just as serious as physical ones.

Okay you are completely messing up the facts.
1. Czerny spoke of Liszt in this way before Liszt was under his training, BEFORE he started touring.
2. We are talking about the child's ability as a pianist, not a composer. Liszt was the greatest pianist to have ever lived, and he made people cry when he performed.
3. Whichever piece he is going to play he is not going to be emotionaly prepared for it, you said it yourself, that children aren't capable of playing emotionally. So what should he do, just quit the piano until he turns 16?

Oh and quite frankly, we don't need your royal opinion on how well Mozart played when he was a kid, we know he played for kings and noblemen who thought he was amazing.

[nervous_wreck]

1. Czerny spoke of Liszt in this way before Liszt was under his training, BEFORE he started touring.

i dispuit that, it was after he left czerny. and i know that to be a fact, and this was after he was touring also.  czerny said he left too early, and wasn't ready for what he was playing.
we're not so sure about liszt's ability to "make people cry" keep in mind, that just as many people hated liszt as they did like him. it's not all hands down everyone thinks liszt is the best ever...
you don't have to get all mad, all i said was i personally don't think the kid is ready for that magnitude of a piece, that doesn't mean he should stop playing entirely, i'm just affraid he will mess himself up in the future. after all, we're looking at the childs "potential" not his ability to play. who wants him to mess up his potential by playing things he is not ready for?
just because you have an opinion, doens't make it the only one. to act as if every other person's opinion is simply inferior to yours, is just silly.
i never dispuited mozart's "amazingness" but honestly, you've heard about as many recordings of him as i have.

. We are talking about the child's ability as a pianist, not a composer.

not everyone liked liszts playing either. i've personally never heard him, have you?