sperm donation

[stevie]

a moral issue, how wopuld you feel about donating your sperm and fathering children without ever knowing about it?

randomly, it is an interesting moral issue, so discuss, or just dont discuss! randomly

[thalbergmad]

Could be a good idea.

I have always wanted to find out if mine worked.

[henrah]

It would be an odd feeling, but my sperm might not ever get used. I'm pretty certain that they don't tell you about future humans created from your sperm.


I'd just hope that any children that do come from my sperm get my wikid 8ve skillz eheh just kidding; but I would like to think that I might have helped create another pianist for this world
Henrah

[pianistimo]

it's repulsive to God and morally wrong.  of course, the argument could be made that some OT guys pretty much donated their sperm wherever they went - but, in truth, they also took care of the women and their children.  that would take some money.

imo, the bible is pretty clear about what is right/wrong.  if a child has no chance of knowing their father - it is wrong.  it's like deciding someone's fate before even considering their side.  i happen to know how difficult it is - because my father died when i was two.  but, i think it would be even more difficult if i had a sperm donor for a father and knew he was still living but didn't want to know me.  making children is easy.  taking care of them is not.  it's a responsibility.

medically, it's also helpful to know. and, geneologically.  you need to know your basic name and in our society that is the father's by marriage.  after a while, these sperm donors would have caused countless genelogical blunders and make people unaware of their history.

if we take something sacred and make it profane - then we are basically telling God that His ways are not good.  that one man and one woman - as in the NT - are a family unit.  not one man and many women who do not even know the man. 

if you are considering it just to see if you are fertile, why not just go down and get your sperm tested.  not sure how they do that - but i thought that they could determine fertility by the amount of sperm and how fast they move.  (don't take my word on this).

[thalbergmad]

There must be some women who are married to men who are shooting blanks.

Therefore they might think sperm donation is a good idea.

Easier than finding another man in some cases.

[prometheus]

Hahaha, just put all of Stevie's messages together and draw your conclusion.

If you want to test your sperm, just look at them under a microscope and see how hard they swim.

Personally, I would never do something like this. How can you accept the idea that some random(yes I know how to use the word) woman has your children somewhere around the country/world? So your children are out there and you don't know. Furthermore, they claim you will have privacy but this is not true, the child has the right to know her or his father. So your identity can be claimed by the children. And then the woman can claim alimentation.

I once saw this program about a company in the US that gathered sperm of smart, succesful, athletic men. All the features and successes in the life of that male were added to the record. So females could select what they wanted. So if they want a science doctor who had been a quarterback in high school, with blue eyes and blonde har then this was possible. Of course photo's were available and IQ tests were done. Now this is almost eugnetics, which the creator said was the goal.
One of these males had about 20 children around the country that he would meet every now and then. Some of these females had an infertile husband. It was really strange and awkward. The guy was this strange macho person.

Of course in terms of eugnetics this is quite useless because you don't select females and because the children are allowed to mingle their genes with anyones genes. The only thing it did was to make sure that some of these succesful handsome macho males got more children than they otherwise would. You could even argue about the quality of their DNA because it may very well be average quality. They may even carry defect genes that can cause genetic deficts. So all this is quite meaningless.

Hmm, if I could get a child by buying an female egg cell somewhere, and I am able to select it on specific details. I could imagine that it could be quite appealing. It is the only way to rationally select a 'partner'. I want perfect children(yes this is something I have to overcome before I will ever allow myself to have one) so one of the mail thing you will look for in a partner is how you estimate the quality and potentional of their genes. Of course humans have their own 'eugnetic processes', things like smell and the amount of sperm that don't make it. These aren't used in artificial fertilization processes so one could also wonder about that. But the main point is, I would never even dare to think that I could raise a child on my own. I would really need female help.

I also think it is very important that a child has role-models of both sex. They don't even have to be good role models. The same sex parent is essential for their own behavior and the different sex partner is very important on how they view and approach the other sex. I can't see how you can allow people that do not furfill this requirements to adopt a child. Really, if I were gay and I wanted a child I would have a big moral problem with this. In the end I would probably ending up partnering a woman if I really wanted to have a child.

[pianistimo]

guess that the above posts i mostly agree with.  as thal said, it would be hard for a guy who was in the military and exposed to something hazardous or whatever and was either ' shooting blanks' (as he put it  ) or had the potential to have a severely handicapped child.  i really don't know the answer to that question.  maybe, as with all sin, there is lesser sin and people that choose sperm donation for that reason are not held as guilty as others.  abraham almost gave up and then took sarah's handmaid since sarah requested it.  guess that is sort of similar. 

but, as a general rule - i don't think sperm donation is good for healthy people - even if they think they can choose healthy eggs or sperm and have 'perfect children.'  all you have to do is look at a few generations of whomever you are thinking of marrying.  also, there are features of extra healthy people that you may better be able to prove by looking at the real person (female or male).  models are chosen for good skin (internal organs probably working well), symmetry of body, and obviously their features.  not saying that guys should only consider beauty - but what about lifestyle.  a really beautiful woman would #1 take care of herself so that she continues to be healthy (non-smoker, careful with diet, drinks water/exercies, isn't a drunk or druggie).  same with men.  they wouldn't be partying a lot - and probably the healthier spermed guys would be athletic.  to me i'd just look for someone who likes to get out and do things and doesn't sit home always on the couch. 

meeting the family, sibilings, cousins - you could get a pretty good idea of not only genetics but what the family is about.  say you have really good genetics and a messed up family. the genetics are only a small portion of life.  there are many people who are handicapped that are more disciplined in life than some who are not and seems that there are many healthy slackers.  i went to help a woman who was handicapped to clean her house - and was literally shocked at how clean it was already.  i've been to other's homes who are perfectly healthy and just 'don't like to clean.'  of course, my home isn't always spotless either - but with kids around it's clean one day and messed up again the next.  anyway - i'd look for a lot of things besides sperm/egg.

this makes me think of one man i knew who's wife came down with a debilitating illness that caused her to be wheelchair bound.  they struggled with the disease - and yet all her children were healthy.  they learned to give and to take care of their mother.  all the boys are really responsible and probably more tolerant and caring for those who are not 'perfect.'  also, the husband, instead of leaving his wife for a younger woman, stuck right by her side and became closer to her every day.  always attending her needs and things.  she actually got better (though she has bad days) and last time i saw her was walking around a bit.  also, her love for her husband is really strong and it makes me think that love isn't perfection - but knowing how to live with imperfection and still love deeply. 

 

[pianistimo]

in philadelphia - and other cities and countries, they are basically begging people to foster or adopt children.  sometimes i wonder why the fuss about having one's own child when there are so many that don't have the basic necessities.  if one can open their heart - seems that the children that are already alive and have needs would be important.  also, you can check on their health - and they can check on their genetics and parentage if you request to know the parents names.  maybe God shows us through imperfect situations how to 'go farther' in our lives than we would without problems.

[thalbergmad]

guess that the above posts i mostly agree with.  as thal said, it would be hard for a guy who was in the military and exposed to something hazardous or whatever and was either ' shooting blanks' (as he put it  ) or had the potential to have a severely handicapped child.

Shooting blanks is not a Military expression. It is a delightful English way to describe infertility in men.

Also, you could say "no lead in his pencil"

[prometheus]

Pianistimo, you are saying that on purpose, right? Therefore I will not respond

[berrt]

i prefer the old-fashioned personal way of donation

[stevie]

also, this thing is very lucrative, men get PAYED to donate their sperm, remember this, and so it may be possibly to earn a living by ejaculating in a cup.

[allthumbs]

also, this thing is very lucrative, men get PAYED to donate their sperm, remember this, and so it may be possibly to earn a living by ejaculating in a cup.

You could say that the donors make money 'hand over fist', so to speak.

[soliloquy]

also, this thing is very lucrative, men get PAYED to donate their sperm, remember this, and so it may be possibly to earn a living by ejaculating in a cup.

$50 a day if you're up to it =P

[ahinton]

Shooting blanks is not a Military expression. It is a delightful English way to describe infertility in men.

Also, you could say "no lead in his pencil"

Or "no ink in his pen" - either or both of which might make one wonder whether the apparent increase in male infertility (of which there is quite a lot of talk nowadays) is less down to poor diet or to unhealthy use of nicotine and alcohol than to the fact that most people now type (as we all do when we contribute here) rather than use pens or pencils?...

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

i always heard it was due to wearing briefs instead of boxers.  gets too hot down there or something and kills them all off. 

[ahinton]

i always heard it was due to wearing briefs instead of boxers.  gets too hot down there or something and kills them all off. 

Maybe you're correct; I do not profess to be an authority on the subject. Might this be interpreted to mean that those who practise law are worse sperm-killers than those who spend their professional lives in the boxing ring? Any what about male pianists? - should they perhaps be even more careful than most as to what kind of underwear they don when performing? Whatever the answers to these questions may or may not be, however, while we are still considering the kinds of euphemism mentioned earlier it might also be worth mentioning that, in Britain, there used years ago to be an expression that the advertising industry bandied about to encourage certain kinds of food sale as a consequence of reminding us all of the importance of having breakfast daily; it was "go to work on an egg". Whether any connection can be drawn between this and the subject under discussion here I leave you to consider.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

well, as the advertisement below indicates, if you don't want the egg you can donate it.  i think there's a high price to pay for this.  what if you suddenly feel the price of the egg was too low.  you want it back.  but, you gave it away already.  what if it's already been fertilized? then what do you do?  and, would you want the dish too?  all i can say is that microscopic spillage of things might be accidental - but a major egg dropping - or a major sperm donation sounds like something that's done on a horse farm. 

getting back to boxers and pianists - i think they have a lot in common.  for one thing lawyers don't usually use the fist and may resort to using a gavel for large cases.