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Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
on: April 06, 2006, 12:40:30 PM
hi,

I'm teaching a girl who's in grade 9 and I was wondering if any of you could give me some good repretoire for that grade.
I was already thinking about hte Raindrop prelude ( I think thats grade 9)

Your ideas would be great!

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 12:55:57 PM
Raindrop isn't a grade 9.... try a grade 7... 8 at the most, but not grade 9.
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 08:56:55 PM
Maybe Minute Waltz? 
Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 11:33:20 PM
Will someone please explain to me what these grades mean?

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #4 on: April 07, 2006, 02:26:24 AM
A grade, when talking about pieces, is the overall difficulty of the piece. When talking about levels with students, say... a student is at level 9, that means that they are advanced enough in theory and musicianship to take on pieces at that difficulty level.

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #5 on: April 07, 2006, 09:16:59 AM
Are there a set number of grades?  What would something like Mephisto Waltz be?  Liszt Sonata?  This really interests me...I've never thought to assign levels to pieces in this way.

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #6 on: April 08, 2006, 01:30:53 AM
Hey pretty piano playing, do you have the current grade nine book?  There are some really nice ones in there.  If you do, let me know, and I'll tell you which ones I personally liked the best.  Maybe I could even send a recording of some of them. 

To answer Michael, those two pieces are ARCT level (or grade 11), which is the final level in Canada's grading system.  Each country has their own system, but they are somewhat similar.

I'll use grade 9 RCM as an example (RCM is Canada's system). 
You need:

1 Baroque piece, 1 Classical piece, 1 Romantic piece, 1 20th century piece.  (The RCM has a syllabus, or list, or what pieces fall under what grade, that you can pick from). 

You also need to be able to sight read a grade 7 piece (2 grades below whatever grade you're in approximately), and clap a rhythm at about the same level that you've not seen before.

You need to be able to play back the MELODY of a short excerpt after hearing it twice, say whether a triad is major or minor after hearing it once, indentify by ear almost all intervals within an octave, and say whether a cadence is Perfect (V - I), Imperfect (I - V), or Plagal (V - IV? I forget!), after hearing it once or twice, I forget that too.

You also need to learn 2 technical studies, also in the syllabus.

You need to play any major or minor (harmonic or melodic) scale, chromatic starting on any note, and formula pattern scales (only 12 of them to learn at this grade I think), on command at a certain speed which is also in the syllabus.  I think grade nine minimum scale speed is 4 notes to a metronome tick with the metronome set on 104.

The same goes for all manner of chords (major, minor, V7, vii07), broken or solid, and arpeggios (major, minor, ect.) starting on any note.

You also have to have take the level 2 Rudiments course (theory), History level 3, and Harmony level 3.  These are 2 hr, 3 hr, 3 hr. exams respectively. 

If you get above 60% on your exam, you have "passed grade 9."

The easier the grades, the less theory and scales, and pieces you need to learn.  They higher the grade, the more you need to know, and the harder it is.

All that to say that the "grades" are basically a comprehensive music education, and once you have a certain grade, those familiar with the system know what level you are at in all respects, not just what pieces you can play.

In Canada, 60% is pass, 70% is honors, 80% is first class honors, and 90% is first class honors with distinction.  This shows how well you can handle the requirements for the grade after you have passed it.  You get a certificate with whatever you category of marks was printed on it. 

You do not need to do all of the grades, but to be allowed to take up the examiner's time at the ARCT level, you need to have a grade 10 certificate with at least 70% standing on it.  Otherwise everyone would just jump right in at ARCT level and fail!  They are VERY VERY harsh when marking ARCTs.  My teacher played 65 memorised pages of music without losing her spot, AFTER having the grade 10 pre - requirement, and still failed.  They said her technique wasn't at par. 

ARCT has 3 different areas too.

There is Performer's ARCT - a 1 hour (approx.) concert. 

There is a Teacher's ARCT - like another grade with all the sight reading, ect, but also large a section where you "teach" the examiner.  This exam has 3 parts (written, "teaching", and pieces and technique and such.

There is another ARCT focusing on composing and theory as well.  So once you've passed your grade 10 with 70% or higher, then you can "specialize" in whatevery ARCT you want.

Hope this helps.  Remember, though, each country is a little different.
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #7 on: April 11, 2006, 04:02:14 AM
Hey pretty piano playing, do you have the current grade nine book?  There are some really nice ones in there.  If you do, let me know, and I'll tell you which ones I personally liked the best.  Maybe I could even send a recording of some of them. 

To answer Michael, those two pieces are ARCT level (or grade 11), which is the final level in Canada's grading system.  Each country has their own system, but they are somewhat similar.

I'll use grade 9 RCM as an example (RCM is Canada's system). 
You need:

1 Baroque piece, 1 Classical piece, 1 Romantic piece, 1 20th century piece.  (The RCM has a syllabus, or list, or what pieces fall under what grade, that you can pick from). 

You also need to be able to sight read a grade 7 piece (2 grades below whatever grade you're in approximately), and clap a rhythm at about the same level that you've not seen before.

You need to be able to play back the MELODY of a short excerpt after hearing it twice, say whether a triad is major or minor after hearing it once, indentify by ear almost all intervals within an octave, and say whether a cadence is Perfect (V - I), Imperfect (I - V), or Plagal (V - IV? I forget!), after hearing it once or twice, I forget that too.

You also need to learn 2 technical studies, also in the syllabus.

You need to play any major or minor (harmonic or melodic) scale, chromatic starting on any note, and formula pattern scales (only 12 of them to learn at this grade I think), on command at a certain speed which is also in the syllabus.  I think grade nine minimum scale speed is 4 notes to a metronome tick with the metronome set on 104.

The same goes for all manner of chords (major, minor, V7, vii07), broken or solid, and arpeggios (major, minor, ect.) starting on any note.

You also have to have take the level 2 Rudiments course (theory), History level 3, and Harmony level 3.  These are 2 hr, 3 hr, 3 hr. exams respectively. 

If you get above 60% on your exam, you have "passed grade 9."

The easier the grades, the less theory and scales, and pieces you need to learn.  They higher the grade, the more you need to know, and the harder it is.

All that to say that the "grades" are basically a comprehensive music education, and once you have a certain grade, those familiar with the system know what level you are at in all respects, not just what pieces you can play.

In Canada, 60% is pass, 70% is honors, 80% is first class honors, and 90% is first class honors with distinction.  This shows how well you can handle the requirements for the grade after you have passed it.  You get a certificate with whatever you category of marks was printed on it. 

You do not need to do all of the grades, but to be allowed to take up the examiner's time at the ARCT level, you need to have a grade 10 certificate with at least 70% standing on it.  Otherwise everyone would just jump right in at ARCT level and fail!  They are VERY VERY harsh when marking ARCTs.  My teacher played 65 memorised pages of music without losing her spot, AFTER having the grade 10 pre - requirement, and still failed.  They said her technique wasn't at par. 

ARCT has 3 different areas too.

There is Performer's ARCT - a 1 hour (approx.) concert. 

There is a Teacher's ARCT - like another grade with all the sight reading, ect, but also large a section where you "teach" the examiner.  This exam has 3 parts (written, "teaching", and pieces and technique and such.

There is another ARCT focusing on composing and theory as well.  So once you've passed your grade 10 with 70% or higher, then you can "specialize" in whatevery ARCT you want.

Hope this helps.  Remember, though, each country is a little different.

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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #8 on: April 11, 2006, 07:09:03 PM
hey! well, just flying the flag for the uk we only have 8 grades over here, then 3 diplomas (ABRSM, LRSM, FRSM - royal schools of music) in 2 categories, performance or teaching.

the grades are just warm up really, the hardest it can get is debussy arabesques or a movement from an early beethoven sonata.
but diplomas..
roughly the standard for abrsm is ravel sonatine etc
lrsm - pathetique, chopin ballades etc
frsm - gaspard, waldstein, prokofiev sonatas etc

have a look at  https://www.abrsm.org/resources/perfDip05Part2.pdf
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 07:35:57 PM
hey! well, just flying the flag for the uk we only have 8 grades over here, then 3 diplomas (ABRSM, LRSM, FRSM - royal schools of music) in 2 categories, performance or teaching.

the grades are just warm up really, the hardest it can get is debussy arabesques or a movement from an early beethoven sonata.
but diplomas..
roughly the standard for abrsm is ravel sonatine etc
lrsm - pathetique, chopin ballades etc
frsm - gaspard, waldstein, prokofiev sonatas etc

have a look at  https://www.abrsm.org/resources/perfDip05Part2.pdf
                 AND
https://www.abrsm.org/

it seems like in canada there is a heck of a lot more to do in the grades.... ABRSM grades  1 - 8  you play 3 pieces,  sightreading, scales, aural test which for example grade 8 is singing a bass line back after two listens, identifying last 4 chords in a passage, identifying modulations and cadences, singing second part from a score, then talking about a short piece the examiner plays. to do grades past grade 5 you have to have passed grade 5 theory. (abrsm theory also goes from 1 - 8). i have done grade 5 theory and grade 8 on two instruments, then you can do diplomas but it is quite a big step.
theres also trinity examinations but i dont know much about them, only you dont have to have theory to do higher grades.
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 02:11:08 AM
Well, the ABRSM does have a better diploma system in a way.  Like the Moonlight AND the Hammerklavier are BOTH on the ARCT list.  You just pick according to your ability.  So one might say, I have an ARCT, but you don't really know what they can play just from that statement.  (Though, Pathetique is on our grade 10 list, but just 2 movements, the 2nd and your choice of the 1rst or 3rd).  Some of our grade 10 is your diploma, and some of our diploma is your grade 8.  So it's easy to see the 'lines' between the grades start to blur depending on the system.  We have WAY WAY WAY more theory than you would ever think necessary but no quick study which I hear is the dread of all ABRSM exams.  For those of you unfamiliar with a quick study, as I understand it, it is when you are given a piece approximately 2 grades below yours and you have 5 minutes to learn in and perform it for the examiner.
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #11 on: April 12, 2006, 06:04:16 AM
it seems like in canada there is a heck of a lot more to do in the grades.... ABRSM grades  1 - 8  you play 3 pieces,  sightreading, scales, aural test which for example grade 8 is singing a bass line back after two listens, identifying last 4 chords in a passage, identifying modulations and cadences, singing second part from a score, then talking about a short piece the examiner plays. to do grades past grade 5 you have to have passed grade 5 theory. (abrsm theory also goes from 1 - 8). i have done grade 5 theory and grade 8 on two instruments, then you can do diplomas but it is quite a big step.
theres also trinity examinations but i dont know much about them, only you dont have to have theory to do higher grades.
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Re: Grade 9 RCM pieces needed
Reply #12 on: April 12, 2006, 06:17:41 AM
hi,

I'm teaching a girl who's in grade 9 and I was wondering if any of you could give me some good repretoire for that grade.
I was already thinking about hte Raindrop prelude ( I think thats grade 9)

Your ideas would be great!

Good repertoire for the grade? How about good repertoire for your student?

I can give you a brief breakdown of the eligible pieces, obviously with many omissions:

Section A - Baroque

J.S. Bach P&F - BWV 847, 855, 888 (only ones eligible), any sinfonia (3-part invention)
Handel - Suite no. 1 - Aria with variations (HWV 434)
Scarlatti - K159, 430, 9 OR if you prefer Longo... L104, 463, 413

Section B - Sonatas

Beethoven - Rondo in C major (Op.51/1), Sonata in G major first movement (Op.79)
Clementi - Sonata in Eb major (Op.37/1)
Haydn - Hob. XVI: 13(all), 23(mvmt. 1), 34(one movement), or 37(1st OR 2nd and 3rd)
Mozart - Fantasie in D minor K397, Sonata in G K283 (1st OR 2nd and 3rd), Sonata in C K330 (1st OR 2nd), B flat major K570 (1st movement)

Section C - Romantic

Brahms - Op.76 no. 4 OR 7 (both are intermezzos)
Chopin - Mazurkas Op. 6/1, 67/4 (posth.), 68/1 ... Nocturnes Op. 9/2, 20 (posth.), 32/1, 37/1, 55/1, 55/2 ... Raindrop prelude ... Waltzes Op. 64/1, 64/2, 64/3, 70/2 (posth.), 70/3 (posth.)
Mendelssohn - Op. 38/2 or 6, Op.19/1
Schubert - Ab impromptu from Op. 142
Tchaikovsky - any one of the Seasons

Section D -

Debussy - Mazurka, Reverie, Golliwog's Cake-Walk, La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin
Fauré - Op. 84/5
Granados - Op.5/1
Palmgren - May Night (Op. 27/4)
Poulenc - Villageoises (any 3 movements)
Ravel - Menuet from Le Tombeau de Couperin
Satie - Nocturne no. 4
Scriabin - Preludes Op. 11/9 & 10 OR no. 13

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