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Offline emmdoubleew

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Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
on: April 10, 2006, 03:44:30 AM
I have just finished Mazzepa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Etude_No._4_in_D_minor_%28Liszt%29

Feel free to improve on it.

If you choose to make one, please please please use the same format I did, otherwise it'll look all crap if each page for each etude looks totally different, if you feel the need to add more sections, add them at the end.

Also, I would love for someone to do their own notation of the first bar of the 24 24 part so we can put it up there, I can't find any sheet music of it on public domain.

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #1 on: April 10, 2006, 12:10:25 PM
some errors...mazeppa is a man, he falls, and at the end he is victorious and randomly becomes king.

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #2 on: April 10, 2006, 02:40:29 PM
i thought it had something to do with a horse... ?

i heard mazeppa is about being raped by a horse, is this correct?

strangely i think this piece has an intense sexual energy to it.

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #3 on: April 10, 2006, 03:27:25 PM
It would probably be a good idea to link to the original poem:

https://poetes.com/hugo/mazeppa.htm (in french)

I'm not fluid enough to understand all that, but the introduction says, that he was the elected chief of the cosacks. A legend affirmed that he had commited adultery, and as a punishment, was to be dragged naked by a wild horse to Ukraine.

the poem does however end with him being crowned king... could someone who is completely fluid in french please translate it?
Belles journées, souris du temps,
vous rongez peu à peu ma vie.
Dieu! Je vais avoir vingt-huit ans...
Et mal vécus, à mon envie.

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #4 on: April 10, 2006, 05:16:17 PM
I suggest someone removes the link to 'Da SDC'.
"As an artist you don't rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the Altar of Art." -Franz Liszt

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 05:34:59 PM
some errors...mazeppa is a man, he falls, and at the end he is victorious and randomly becomes king.

Hmmmm.

I am fluent in french and read the poem, I was under the impression that the statement refferring to an internal enlightenment. But on second thought, you might be correct.
This is the last few lines of the poems:

"Il crie épouvanté, tu poursuis implacable.
Pâle, épuisé, béant, sous ton vol qui l'accable
Il ploie avec effroi;
Chaque pas que tu fais semble creuser sa tombe.
Enfin le terme arrive... il court, il vole, il tombe,
Et se relève roi !
"
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Okay after further research, I have read Lord Byron's Mazeppa and he indeed becomes King. I will add some of that.

i thought it had something to do with a horse... ?


??????
Did you even glance at the page? I talk about the horse throughout the entire article.

It would probably be a good idea to link to the original poem:

https://poetes.com/hugo/mazeppa.htm (in french)

I'm not fluid enough to understand all that, but the introduction says, that he was the elected chief of the cosacks. A legend affirmed that he had commited adultery, and as a punishment, was to be dragged naked by a wild horse to Ukraine.

the poem does however end with him being crowned king... could someone who is completely fluid in french please translate it?
Oh yeah I was going to then I forgot. Thx :).

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #6 on: April 10, 2006, 06:41:21 PM
Then someone else will remove it. Not only has it no place in an encyclopedia, it is also totally irrelevant concerning the subject.
"As an artist you don't rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the Altar of Art." -Franz Liszt

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 11:06:49 PM
Mazeppa was a real historical figure.  He became the Hetman of the Cossacks(ie the king.)  Later he rebelled against Tsar Peter the Great and joined King Alexander of Sweden in the Great Northern War.  When Sweden lost, he fled to the Ottoman Empire.
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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #8 on: April 11, 2006, 08:11:55 PM
oops. someone spelt Liszt Lizst but i changed it. Ill have a go at some of the others tomorrow - ill use the same format.
Im not an expert but I can put something up that people can build on...
TOm

Oh. and are you sure it is Victor Hugo's and not Lord Byrons Mazeppa?
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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 11:41:52 PM
Oh. and are you sure it is Victor Hugo's and not Lord Byrons Mazeppa?


Yez,

Not only has it been recorded but Victor Hugo and Liszt were good friends, and since Liszt spoke better french than english, he was probably more aware of French literature.

And thanks if you are going to add some articles. Which one are you interested in. I'm thinking of doing no. 10

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Re: Wikipedia project: Transcendental Etudes.
Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 08:14:24 AM
Yez,

Not only has it been recorded but Victor Hugo and Liszt were good friends, and since Liszt spoke better french than english, he was probably more aware of French literature.

And thanks if you are going to add some articles. Which one are you interested in. I'm thinking of doing no. 10
my favourite is no. 8, what do you think?
Tom
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