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Offline casparma

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Unreachable scale, please help....
on: April 10, 2006, 11:09:27 AM
How do you play the C scale with a flattened b?

for example, you play c, d, e, f, g, a, b minor, c.... at RH.

My problem is that, when descending, with the requirement of a decent speed, RH, the transition between c and b minor sounds like I make a jump with finger 1(thumb) and 4(finger next to pinky). I couldn't make the transition legato unless I strain my 4th finger and play slowly, but this is just not enough for the piece I am practicing.....


Is there any help?

thanks

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #1 on: April 10, 2006, 11:47:53 AM
I don't think I totally understand what you are asking.  Are you talking about a C scale with B-flat instead of B natural?  Why is there a mention of a B minor chord when you are asking about a scale?
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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #2 on: April 10, 2006, 05:30:07 PM
How do you play the C scale with a flattened b?

for example, you play c, d, e, f, g, a, b minor, c.... at RH.

My problem is that, when descending, with the requirement of a decent speed, RH, the transition between c and b minor sounds like I make a jump with finger 1(thumb) and 4(finger next to pinky). I couldn't make the transition legato unless I strain my 4th finger and play slowly, but this is just not enough for the piece I am practicing.....


Is there any help?

thanks

Try angling your forearm to the right.  Also, rotating your forearm on the thumb brings 4 closer to B.  Play B by counter-rotating the forearm and moving elbow and forearm closer to your ribs.  (Play A by yet another rotation of the forearm.)

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #3 on: April 10, 2006, 07:10:30 PM
To quantum, I dont know where I mention b minor chord.... I just ask how to play a descending C scale with b flat instead of normal b with RH... ;)


To nyquist, thanks for yours respond, but I am quite sure whether I interpret your tip correct or not.... First, when you say angling forearm to the right, does that mean that the palm moves leftwards and the elbow is pointing rightwards? I mean for right hand, of course. Or is it the other way around?


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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #4 on: April 10, 2006, 09:40:08 PM
To quantum, I dont know where I mention b minor chord.... I just ask how to play a descending C scale with b flat instead of normal b with RH... ;)


To nyquist, thanks for yours respond, but I am quite sure whether I interpret your tip correct or not.... First, when you say angling forearm to the right, does that mean that the palm moves leftwards and the elbow is pointing rightwards? I mean for right hand, of course. Or is it the other way around?


thanks for any help

What you said:  the forearm instead of being perpendicular to the keyboard (seen from above) is angled to the right by displacing the elbow to the right and the wrist to the left (while being careful not to have the elbow two far from the ribs).  If you were to exaggerate this angling, you would be able to play B with 4 and C with 1 as an interval.

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #5 on: April 11, 2006, 08:48:23 AM
useful tip, thanks, nyquist! :)

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 05:14:30 PM
for example, you play c, d, e, f, g, a, b minor, c.... at RH.

I gather then you just meant to write B flat.

Along with nyquist's tip, think of reaching over your thumb with 4th finger and let your forearm follow naturally outward in motion.
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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 12:59:10 PM
I gather then you just meant to write B flat.

Along with nyquist's tip, think of reaching over your thumb with 4th finger and let your forearm follow naturally outward in motion.

oh, sorry, I really have meant "b flat".

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #8 on: April 18, 2006, 11:08:50 AM
You can try play with your thumb in a more vertical position when you press C, so that you can swing your 4 th finger to B flat easier. If you press C with the flat side of the thumb, the 4 th finger will be tight and give you a bumpy swing.

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Re: Unreachable scale, please help....
Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 03:51:24 PM
You can try play with your thumb in a more vertical position when you press C, so that you can swing your 4 th finger to B flat easier. If you press C with the flat side of the thumb, the 4 th finger will be tight and give you a bumpy swing.

Yes - use straight fingers, the thumb and the 4th finger both.
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