chopin sonata no 3 allegro maestro

[matt haley]

  To all you who have played this movement and know a lot about it....


     i know it is a really difficult piece but why am i finding it really tough to sightread it
   
     well...i dont think its typical sonata form even though it has themes and a

      recapulation,but i find it has really unusual passage writing and maybe im not fully     
 
       understanding this way of writing....


how have you found this piece, can anyone see my point


   all help would be appreciated

          thank you all

         Matt Haley
     

[matt haley]

   Anyone???

   i need your help buddies

[cherub_rocker1979]

If you can't sightread this piece at a  steady slow tempo and be musical at the same time than it's obviously too difficult for you.

[turner]

Not sure where to start, since this is a magnificent movement in a magnificent sonata.

Regarding the structure of the 1st movement, please note that it is not written in a strict sonata-form.  This is most evident in recapitulation, when the music skips the 1st theme and goes directly to the 2nd theme, a device that Chopin also employed in his 2nd Sonata.

Hope this helps.

[franzliszt2]

Sightreading Chopin B minor!!!!

If you can't sightread this piece at a  steady slow tempo and be musical at the same time than it's obviously too difficult for you.

What??? it's far to complex to sightread!! and be musical, what? it's one of the greatest pieces for piano, its late Chopin, it's very complex, it takes years to understand it musically. And technically very demanding. Sightreading Chopin  B minor is not advisable, I would sit down and study it, only way to do it. Cannot play such great music by reading it, no matter how slow.

[merlin_emrys]

Having just played through the first movement, for perhaps the third time in several weeks, I disagree.  There is so much beauty and musicality that shines through, even at a relatively slow tempo.

Why not just play it and delight in the music?

-merlin

[maxy]

  To all you who have played this movement and know a lot about it....


     i know it is a really difficult piece but why am i finding it really tough to sightread it
   
     well...i dont think its typical sonata form even though it has themes and a

      recapulation,but i find it has really unusual passage writing and maybe im not fully     
 
       understanding this way of writing....


how have you found this piece, can anyone see my point


   all help would be appreciated

          thank you all

         Matt Haley
     

It is indeed hard to read at the central section.  Modulations are mostly wicked, some genius writing. It took me some years before I really started to enjoy the piece so I do understand how you feel.

It's really not about structure, the singing quality, the overall gesture is much more important.

With what you say, you don't seem to be ready to really  tackle the piece.  It may be good for you to dabble with some other earlier Chopin before coming back to the 3rd sonata.  Once you come back to it, chances are that it will be much more enjoyable.

[faj]

Hi, I'm new member here ..
Well,  can't say I know a lot about this sonata, but I think same experience happened to me.
I learnt 4th moment first, and I thought the 1st movement is not so difficult, just need to sight read several time then automatically reach final speed like learning nocturne.  I completely wrong.
While we don't realize, the difficulty is not just in sightreading but more to  technique. so watch out the note jump etc, and a lot of un-pianistic passage here..

Anwy,  yes this sonata is unusual. It's great .. but difficult ...

P.S. sorry for my bad English

[bearzinthehood]

If you can't sightread this piece at a  steady slow tempo and be musical at the same time than it's obviously too difficult for you.

what??  This is just so completely and utterly wrong!

[cherub_rocker1979]

what??  This is just so completely and utterly wrong!

So you like to learn repertoire that is way over your head too??

[bearzinthehood]

So you like to learn repertoire that is way over your head too??

Think about it this way (an extreme example I know), if I were to learn a Bach fugue, how would I approach it?  By sightreading it?  Of course not, I would start by analyzing the piece, playing all the individual voices (I may go through many different fingerings), then I would go to combinations of 2 or more voices before tackling the entire texture.

Just remember that people have different strengths.  It is very possible that a poor sight reader can handle this piece technically, but that an excellent sight reader (who may be able to sight read this piece at a very slow tempo), does not have the necessary technique to play it.

[matt haley]

Think about it this way (an extreme example I know), if I were to learn a Bach fugue, how would I approach it?  By sightreading it?  Of course not, I would start by analyzing the piece, playing all the individual voices (I may go through many different fingerings), then I would go to combinations of 2 or more voices before tackling the entire texture.

Just remember that people have different strengths.  It is very possible that a poor sight reader can handle this piece technically, but that an excellent sight reader (who may be able to sight read this piece at a very slow tempo), does not have the necessary technique to play it.

   couldn't agree more

        M Haley