Gould video

[pies]

https://home.comcast.net/~piesfinder/schoeny.wmv
Posted this in another thread but not many people have seen it.

[debussy symbolism]

https://home.comcast.net/~piesfinder/schoeny.wmv
Posted this in another thread but not many people have seen it.

Greetings.

Yes, I definately enjoy it. I hear this as music, not atonal music. It is a new language, one capable of expressing and expression, formed by form and theme transformation. About this piece, I find it rather poetic and tranquil, perhaps a soliloquy concerning an inner dispute, unattainable disires, or a consternated soul. I think that this music can be very expressive.

[steve_m]

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[pies]

I'm gonna get some negative responses to this, but oh well.

I don't understand why people can enjoy this music.  They say that this kind of music shows a lot of emotion.  This is very true.  I agree with that, but banging randomly on the piano also shows a lot of emotion (anger), and I don't see anyone raving about that.  What I'm saying is that while this piece does show much emotion, I don't think it took any musical talent to compose.  This is how I feel about nearly all atonal music.  I think I, or pretty much anyone else, could sit down and improvise a piece with equal emotion and equal "musical value" to the music of atonal composers.  The true skill comes with being able to create an equal amount of emotion, and still making it sound pleasant, and that's why the "traditional" composers are much better, in my mind.  Am I missing something, because I'd like to learn to like this type of music, but I can't get myself to do it.

Just listen to it a few times and decide whether you like it or not. That's all I do; it's quite simple. 
I loved this Schoenberg piece before I even knew a thing about atonality. You can't learn to like it. It's simply based on taste/personal preference.

[lisztisforkids]

I enjoyed it thouroughly.

[steve_m]

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[steveie986]

I don't particularly enjoy listening to Schoenberg, but I do like to play some of his stuff. Because there's no beautiful melody to guide your phrasing and interpretation, the performer is forced to study and dissect the music very carefully. For most people, this is just "paper music" - music to be studied theoretically, not performed. But if you listen to them many times there's no reason why it can't sound as natural as Mozart.

[mephisto]

I'm gonna get some negative responses to this, but oh well.

I don't understand why people can enjoy this music.  They say that this kind of music shows a lot of emotion.  This is very true.  I agree with that, but banging randomly on the piano also shows a lot of emotion (anger), and I don't see anyone raving about that.  What I'm saying is that while this piece does show much emotion, I don't think it took any musical talent to compose.  This is how I feel about nearly all atonal music.  I think I, or pretty much anyone else, could sit down and improvise a piece with equal emotion and equal "musical value" to the music of atonal composers.  The true skill comes with being able to create an equal amount of emotion, and still making it sound pleasant, and that's why the "traditional" composers are much better, in my mind.  Am I missing something, because I'd like to learn to like this type of music, but I can't get myself to do it.

Luckily for Schoenberg fans it is impossible tosay that the traditional composers were better than him, because Schoenberg`s early compositions are tonal. And many people love them.

[d.shosty]

My friend says "Imagination without talent equals modern art"

I disagree, but I thought it might sum up some of the people's thoughts on this thread.

[steve jones]

Schoenberg knew his tonal 'sh*t', no doubt about that. But I respect him all the more for leaving it behind and attempting something new. And I dont say that about all composers!

SJ

[steve_m]

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[pies]

This particular piece isn't awful. It's not my favorite thing to listen to, but it's not too offensive for your ears.

Which Schoenberg piece(s) do you find absolutely awful?

[steve_m]

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[pies]

his piano concerto

I can't comment on it since I haven't heard it yet..
But, it's official; the aforementioned Intermezzo has become my all-time favorite piece.

[BoliverAllmon]

it actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

boliver