beer ....tastes.....bad?

[rc]

I know what alcohol does with people. So I don't understand how you disagree with me. Furthermore because this is your first post on this topic.

I have plenty of experiences, many different experiences, with alcohol. It's just that in all those cases it isn't me consuming alcohol but someone else.

Am I supposed to have a lot of posts on the topic?

Anyways, I was referring mostly to this response in having a good morning after:

Funny how you see a connection between the two. Pure superstition. You would probably have had an even better day if it wasn't for a whole bottle.

Basically, this isn't based on knowledge, just speculation. You can learn a lot from watching people drink, but don't confuse it with the experience of being the person drinking.

[prometheus]

Am I supposed to have a lot of posts on the topic?

No, I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say.

Anyways, I was referring mostly to this response in having a good morning after:

Basically, this isn't based on knowledge, just speculation. You can learn a lot from watching people drink, but don't confuse it with the experience of being the person drinking.

It is not that I have never drunk any alcohol. But I have never been drunk or anywhere close. I don't remember the last time I had alcohol.

The think with alcohol is that it has several stages and that the reaction of people on these stages are very different. There are many people that fall in sleep before they get really drunk. So they can't. Some people get happy and lighthearted. Others get    mischievous or malicious. Some get anrgy or aggressive.

Often the same person will fall in different groups on different events.

Af for having a good morning. First of, being really drunk does not prevent one from feeling good. Also, you can have a good morning while feeling not so good.

There are tons of things that can make you feel good or bad. It will be very hard to explain why one feels good or bad.

But it is clear that generally one can get a hangover from a lot of alcohol. So Zheer will probably have felt better without the alcohol. Surely he did not feel great because of the alcohol.

Yes, Zheers comment was pure speculation. Actually it is superstition, seeing a link between two things that are probably unrelated. People do this all the time without realising it.

[lisztisforkids]

The think with alcohol is that it has several stages and that the reaction of people on these stages are very different. There are many people that fall in sleep before they get really drunk. So they can't. Some people get happy and lighthearted. Others get    mischievous or malicious. Some get anrgy or aggressive.

Often the same person will fall in different groups on different events.

  Ummm... Were did you learn this?  Its well, not really true.


  Beer, Beer, the magical drink,
  The more you drink,
  The less you think,
  The less you think,
  The better you feel,
  Lets have Beer with every meal!
 

[lisztisforkids]

Prometheus you should stop trying to talk like you have some authority on the subjejt. Because you have nooooone.

[stevie]

randomly, i also have to mention my feelings about alcohol may be influenced by the fact a number of youths, 18-19, have died recently in 2 car accidents...caused by drink driving.
its not that nice killing yourself and a few friends into the bargain....and thats just in my small town.

[prometheus]

You don't even tell me what you don't agree with. Let alone why.

[pantonality]

Alcohol is simple it reduces critical thinking and judgment. It removes inhibitions. Simply put, it's a depressant. That's why many people feel they need alcohol to go meet the opposite sex. It's false courage. Because it removes inhibitions those who may have buried anger will be prone to release it.

Now we get Prometheus who has apparently seen people drunk, but has never experienced it (being drunk). Well seeing drunks can be enough to put anyone off drinking, especially if the drunk is in your own family. I personally think that not drinking is a good thing. Why start a bad habit if you're not inclined. It's the same as smoking (cigarettes or whatever). Don't start if you can possibly avoid it.

However, one bit of advice to Prometheus, just speak of your own experience (that includes your experience of friends and family who do drink). It's not necessary to come to any conclusions or make any speculations, by relating just your experience you maintain your credibility.

Cheers!

Steve

[prometheus]

Do you think that I just base the things I say on speculating on other people's experiences?

I think that some people are a little confused here. The things here aren't so simple. I was just adding nuance. For one, there is a different between being drunk and being slightly intoxicated. Alcohol can have different influences on different people, different doses and different individual cases.

Sure, there are some general universal effects like removing restraints, recuced reaction speed, judgement and other mental facualties. But the emotional ones aren't general and universal at all, like I explained. Of course the differential becomes smaller the more drunk a person is. But in the early stages people can react very different. Also, people will have off days. People will have a rare vomit incident for no particular reason after drinking their regular amount, for example. Of course how tired you are and what you have eaten and how much play a role in this. Metabolism plays a role, a process doesn't stay the same every day as well.

I do agree that people seem to need alcohol to meet people of the opposite sex with a particular interest.

Just talk with an expert or read some research as well.

[6ft 4]

ur missing out man alcohol is fun

people dont "need" alcohol to meet girls it just makes them less nervous and more fun

the idea of men getting delibrately drunk just so they can get the confidence to meet randoms is definately an exaggerated urban and media driven myth; the sort of myth that teetotallers love to agree with to make themselves feel better even though they secretly would never get the confidence to go up to an attractive girl with that particular interest

[pianistimo]

i think it's the ages of girls u want to meet.  if i was single, the last place i'd go to meet a man would be a bar.  they are disgusting and filled with people who don't know what they are looking for.  frankly, i think most 'singles' questionnaires and hook-up sites on the internet are just as brain dead. 

the place to go is a uni class, a dance class, a cooking class, whatever things are real interests.  i plan NOT to go tommorrow to the bike trail because 200 + good looking cyclists are planning to race around and the impact would just be too great.  more than alcohol for me.  passion is what it's about.  not alcohol.  and, being physically in shape is much more appealing than brain dead.  and, above being phuysically in shape - is how they treat women.

well, on second thought - i might just go for a little while.  it's against my better judgement.  i haven't told my hubby there's a race tommorrow - so when we go together - i'll look all surprised.  oh, my, look at that one.  (then, he'll have to take back those google eyes at those two girls that walked by when we stopped at dairy queen.  u know - the 17 year olds with the firm mid-waist and cut off's).  i thought i saw lance armstrong two week ago. 

[Jacey1973]

i think it's the ages of girls u want to meet.  if i was single, the last place i'd go to meet a man would be a bar.  they are disgusting and filled with people who don't know what they are looking for.  frankly, i think most 'singles' questionnaires and hook-up sites on the internet are just as brain dead. 

the place to go is a uni class, a dance class, a cooking class, whatever things are real interests.  i plan NOT to go tommorrow to the bike trail because 200 + good looking cyclists are planning to race around and the impact would just be too great.  more than alcohol for me.  passion is what it's about.  not alcohol.  and, being physically in shape is much more appealing than brain dead.  and, above being phuysically in shape - is how they treat women.
 

I completely agree with you about meeting guys in bars. How can you possibly meet anyone decent? In my experience the chances are very slim!

My friends get quite drunk go to pubs/clubs etc and meet complete losers then say to me "oh why can't i meet a decent guy?" i tell them they're looking in the wrong place, but it doesn't seem to deter them.

I think i've grown out of getting drunk, i can't stand it anymore. I have 3 day hangovers these days too if i drink too much - so i think drink doesn't agree with me. I find i can't get anything done with a hangover - especially piano practise as i have no co-ordination or stamina, i feel my creativity has been temperarily numbed, it's a horrible feeling.

I don't think drink/drugs are necessary. I have much more more natural confidence than i used to, so i don't need alcohol. The rush of adrenaline i get from performing or hearing a fantastic live performance is a million times better than getting drunk, and drunk people are so boring to be around!

[thalbergmad]

if i was single 

I can only dream

[jas]

Alcohol is simple it reduces critical thinking and judgment. It removes inhibitions. Simply put, it's a depressant. That's why many people feel they need alcohol to go meet the opposite sex. It's false courage. Because it removes inhibitions those who may have buried anger will be prone to release it.

...

I personally think that not drinking is a good thing. Why start a bad habit if you're not inclined. It's the same as smoking (cigarettes or whatever). Don't start if you can possibly avoid it.

You and a number of others here seem to have this idea that people who drink only do so because they haven't enough confidence not to, or because they like being out of control. That's complete rubbish. Some people drink for these reasons, and that's a drink problem, or can lead to a drink problem. Those who drink socially and may or may not get drunk do it because it's fun to have a few drinks with your mates. There are no hidden motives and no hidden problems; getting drunk is often just a by-product of it, intentional or not. Hangovers aren't fun, but we've all been there. I have never in my life gone out to get drunk just because I want to do something I don't have the confidence to do sober. I don't know anyone else who has, either.

I'm kind of surprised at how sheltered some people on this forum are. Alcohol isn't an evil, out to ruin everyone's lives. Alcohol-related deaths aren't uncommon, but the problem is surely more with the person involved than with alcohol in general.

Jas

[stevie]

well, another thing i dislike is the fact that alcohol is basically a drug, and that it is considered as seperate from other substance abuses.

im sure many people are familiar with the idea that less intelligent people have more fun and lead 'happier' lives, largely because they are easier to please...
substance abuse, including alcohol, essentially dumbs you down and suddenly things are alot funnier.

for some reason i dont like that idea, and the times ive drank, whilst i enjoyed it mildly being intoxicated, i just felt a bit stupid afterwards, and all in all the negatives outweighed the positives, i dont see the need for artificial fulfillment in my life, im alot more happy having a jolly good wank, and if thats against the law...then handcuff me to the bedpost and give me a daringly delightful spanking.

[henrah]

You know what is a great drug?

ShroomS!!!

Definately my favourite of all, even cannabis. But just because it's A-class, it doesn't mean I take other A-class drugs. I will only ever smoke/eat natural drugs, not those that have been mad-made (to the point of being manufactured by man - obviously nearlly all the ganje I get has been cared for and grown by a person). I.e. Ecstasy, MDMA, Heroin, Coke, Speed, Acid, Ketamine, Crystal Meth. All of those are just horrid drugs, especially Ecstasy cos you never know what's in it. It's much like the Hash around here; but I quite like a bit of hash now and again to have a change from ganje.


The annoying thing is that everyone I know who doesn't smoke the plant thinks of me as just a dirty druggie, where I could say exactly the same to their overdrinking. In fact, I think that drinkers are far more likely to overdose on alcohol (becoming paraletic, vomiting, passing out) than cannabis smokers/mushroom eaters. All excluding the chavs/townies/neds that take anything just to get high. I most certainly don't smoke cannabis/eat mushrooms just to get high. I do it because I like the feeling (cannabis), I like the colourful visuals and philosophical discussions (mushrooms) and most of all it makes me think.


Hehehe, [/heateddiscussion]
Henrah