Is this true???

[henrah]

There's a bulletin going round on Myspace saying that a legislation is being passed in California to exterminate pit bulls.

Is this nonsense true??? If so, it is one of the dumbest and cruelest means not to an end. There are so many other ways of stopping dogs attacking people, and exterminating one breed which is particularly common in doing so won't stop it from happening.

This can't be true.... I sincerely hope it isnt' 

[thalbergmad]

I think there are more dangerous owners than dangerous dogs.

Perhaps they should be exterminated.

[johnny-boy]

I think there are more dangerous owners than dangerous dogs.

Perhaps they should be exterminated.

Exactly what I was thinking thalberg. I guess great minds think alike.

John

[thalbergmad]

There was a case in the papers over here in England a couple of months back.

Some couple let their 2 year old girl play alone with their bull terrier and the dog savaged her.

The owners had the dog put down, but in my opinion it should have been the owners that were put down.

I mean, who in their right minds leaves a baby with a pit bull, no matter how much you trust it.

These people defended themselves by saying "he never done anyhting like that before".

What morons.

Thal

[le_poete_mourant]

Nature or nurture?  I know of several very sweet pit bulls.  I would assume as with any type of creature, you can train them to be loving and gentle if you get them at an early age.  The problem comes when people decide to use them as weapons rather than companions. 

[henrah]

My friend once had a neighbours dog run at him, and it was actually going to rip him apart. So he took a risk and booted it in the chest. Forunately or unfortunately, the chest is a serious weak spot on dogs, and it killed him. He's now terrified of them.

Don't know if it was a pit bull though...

[musik_man]

Nearly every dog-on-man killing I've read of has been commited by pit-bulls.  Gas all the suckers.

[BoliverAllmon]

I find that pit bulls are easily influenced. I have a friend whose grandmother is a professional breeder of pit bulls and has 200 plus at any given time. She loves those dogs with all of her heart and has never had a problem with any of them. I have also seen really crazy  people have these dogs and turn the dogs real crazy. Every pit bull attack I have ever seen or heard about involved a crazy pit bull and even crazier owner.

boliver

[henrah]

That is why I hate the decision to exterminate all pit bulls. Nobody decided to exterminate all the Germans just because of what those under Hitler's rule did.

But is it actually true? Does anyone here live in the Cali state and can falsify this?

[jas]

Nearly every dog-on-man killing I've read of has been commited by pit-bulls.  Gas all the suckers.

And if some idiots began trying to keep lions as pets and got mauled would you say we gas them, too? Some animals do have a (potentially) vicious nature and need to be treated with care. Just because some people don't respect that doesn't make it the animal's fault. It gives us no right to punish them for it.

Jas

[prometheus]

It is very cruel that humans bred dogs, like pit bulls and others, that are so aggressive.

Let's not forget what traits were bred into them and with what purpose. It is just insane to breed dogs for aggression, strenght and fighting ability and then keep them as pets because they are so loyal and friendly.

If you ask me we should try and make some types of dogs extinct. For example there is also a type of dog, don't know the name, that has almost no nose and has a big problem breathing comfortable because of that.

[thalbergmad]

It is very cruel that humans bred dogs, like pit bulls and others, that are so aggressive.

Let's not forget what traits were bred into them and with what purpose. It is just insane to breed dogs for aggression, strenght and fighting ability and then keep them as pets because they are so loyal and friendly.

If you ask me we should try and make some types of dogs extinct. For example there is also a type of dog, don't know the name, that has almost no nose and has a big problem breathing comfortable because of that.

I do agree with you here.

I no longer watch Crufts anymore as i view it as a freak show.

Thal

[musik_man]

And if some idiots began trying to keep lions as pets and got mauled would you say we gas them, too? Some animals do have a (potentially) vicious nature and need to be treated with care. Just because some people don't respect that doesn't make it the animal's fault. It gives us no right to punish them for it.

Jas

If pit bulls were content to only maul their owners, I'd agree.  It's when they go after the 6 year old neighbor that bugs me.

BTW we need no reason to kill animals.  They aren't human.

[henrah]

BTW we need no reason to kill animals. They aren't human.

So we need no reason to kill something which is on the brink of extinction, and effectively wipe the species off the face of the Earth? Animals are people too, but not in the sense of being a man/woman/child.

[jas]

If pit bulls were content to only maul their owners, I'd agree.  It's when they go after the 6 year old neighbor that bugs me.

The animal doesn't deliberately go for the child. It doesn't know what a child is. The only reason children are more likely to be attacked is because they don't necessarily know how to treat an animal, and when to leave it alone. I've seen plenty of kids pull animals' tails and annoy them in other ways that make it almost inevitable that the poor thing is going to retaliate. If a parent will leave a potentially dangerous animal with a small child who can't possibly know how to treat it, then it's their fault, not the animal's, if something goes wrong.

BTW we need no reason to kill animals.  They aren't human.

I find this comment so horrible I don't even know what to say to it. What incredible arrogance. I suppose you're pro-fox hunting, then?

[musik_man]

The animal doesn't deliberately go for the child. It doesn't know what a child is. The only reason children are more likely to be attacked is because they don't necessarily know how to treat an animal, and when to leave it alone. I've seen plenty of kids pull animals' tails and annoy them in other ways that make it almost inevitable that the poor thing is going to retaliate. If a parent will leave a potentially dangerous animal with a small child who can't possibly know how to treat it, then it's their fault, not the animal's, if something goes wrong.
I find this comment so horrible I don't even know what to say to it. What incredible arrogance. I suppose you're pro-fox hunting, then?

Often the person who is attacked by a pit bull has done absolutely nothing to aggravate the dog.  They've been bred to be violent.  Additionally, many of the attacks occur when a dog gets loose.

I have nothing against hunting.  What's wrong with it?  Man is an omnivore.  It's natural to eat meat.

So we need no reason to kill something which is on the brink of extinction, and effectively wipe the species off the face of the Earth? Animals are people too, but not in the sense of being a man/woman/child.

Man created pit-bulls.  What's wrong with us getting rid of them?  And no, animals aren't people.  Humans are people(and Soylent Green I guess also is people.)

[ada]

I must say I'm with Prometheus on this one. Pit bulls are the result of genetic engineering. They are a human creation, bred, as P. says, for aggression. They wouldn't exist if they hadn't been engineered into existance.

Also, when people talk about getting rid of a breed they don't mean rounding them up and killing them, they mean preventing them from breeding and therefore discontinuing the line so to speak. So no cruelty involved.

That's not to say they can't be perfectly nice dogs. However, they were bred solely as fighting dogs. It's hardwired into them.

[cosine]

Hey, if you think that's bad (extermination of pit bulls) you gotta remember that this is the state with the city (San Fran) that decided to outlaw firearms within it's limits. 

A lot of Cali is way out there. 

[gorbee natcase]

To be honnest I once saw a photo on TV of a little girls face after one of them things tore in to her so I have no sympathy at all. I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw one.

[jas]

Hey, if you think that's bad (extermination of pit bulls) you gotta remember that this is the state with the city (San Fran) that decided to outlaw firearms within it's limits. 

Just to clarify, are you saying that the outlaw of guns is a bad thing?

Often the person who is attacked by a pit bull has done absolutely nothing to aggravate the dog.  They've been bred to be violent.  Additionally, many of the attacks occur when a dog gets loose.

Ok, but blaming the dog when some idiot leaves it alone with their kid is ridiculous. I don't know much about pitbulls but it doesn't sound like an ideal choice for a family pet, so if someone's pet pitbull gets aggressive, if it's anyone's fault it's the owner's for getting one in the first place. If we have bred an animal specifically to be aggressive, then we can't turn around and put the boot in when it does just that. It doesn't know the difference between an intruder and someone who lives there. It just does what it's been bred to do.

I have nothing against hunting.  What's wrong with it?  Man is an omnivore.  It's natural to eat meat.

People don't hunt foxes to eat them. They hunt them because they enjoy the chase and get their jollies from watching their pet dogs rip one apart. It's pure bloody-minded cruelty, there are no reasons or noble intentions behind it whatsoever. It's been banned here, though, I'm glad to say.

Jas

[cosine]

Just to clarify, are you saying that the outlaw of guns is a bad thing?

Jas

Yes. Start a new thread if you wish to debate the topic, and I'll answer whenever I get a minute to do so.

[gyzzzmo]

People should just stop feeding their children  to pitbulls. That would make pitbulls more popular 

[gyzzzmo]

Yes. Start a new thread if you wish to debate the topic, and I'll answer whenever I get a minute to do so.

Would be interesting :p

[trunks]

There's a bulletin going round on Myspace saying that a legislation is being passed in California to exterminate pit bulls.

Is this nonsense true??? If so, it is one of the dumbest and cruelest means not to an end. There are so many other ways of stopping dogs attacking people, and exterminating one breed which is particularly common in doing so won't stop it from happening.

This can't be true.... I sincerely hope it isnt' 

Wholly OUTRAGEOUS !!
Alas, finally the USA is becoming more and more like China, North Korea . . .

Those people who intitiated this thought and those who support it should be exterminated.

[prometheus]

I don't know what the nature of this internet rumour was. But when one wants to 'exterminate' a dog race it doesn't mean one wants to exterminate the dogs.

Like I said before, and this is an old thread, these dogs are the biggest victims. They are bred with properties that must torment them. And then when they do attack a child because of their genes and their owner they are killed. Not the genes and not the owner.

So I say we treat the dogs and this includes 'killing' their genes so that no future dogs need to suffer their 'bad genes' we selected for them. And fining those that want to breed more pit bulls.
If you think sterilising dogs or preventing them reproducing is immoral; well the problem is one of our creation.

Breeding dangerous fighting dogs is already illegal in many countries. And this is good. To say this is a sign of Stalinism is nuts.
To say that I should be exterminated... well...