Memmory

[gorbee natcase]

https://www.buildyourmemory.com/


I came accross this website the other day and got hooked into it immediatly. It encompasses ways on commiting large ammounts of information to memmory and the
techniques realy work. for example

Remembering these 5 words in order you need to link them together TEDDY BEAR, BUS, KETTLE, MIRROR, PUSHCHAIR,JESTER,SCALES.....To remember them I immagined a teddy bear sat on a bus with a kettle in its hand, the reflection in the window of the bus symbolising the mirror was a pushchair with a jester sat in it holding a set of scales you can remember 30+ words this way in order and it realy works sounds crazy but take a look see what you think

[prometheus]

Currently I am learning the japanese language.

I have to learn about 1000 to 2000 kanji pictograms. Most of them have several different meanings and they have usually at least two but sometimes many more phonetics assosiated with them. And then I have to learn the individual words that are build with using the kanji as stem.

So this is a big memory challenge. I managed to learn 108 of them since I started seven days ago.

To give an idea, 'seven days' is written as 七日

七 means 'seven' and is pronounced as 'shichi', whish sounds a lot more like sh'tchi to me, and is written as しち in the phonetic alphabeth, or it is pronounced as 'nana' or 'nanatsu', written as なな or ななつ, but limiting to the most common ones..

The kanji of day is 日 and it also means sun. It is pronounced as nichi, jitsu, hi or ka, again limiting to the most common.


Seven days is written as 七日 which makes a lot of sense, of course. But it is pronounced nanoka ( なのか) so here ka for day is used. But in this case seven is 'nano'.

Fire, with the pictogram 火, is also pronounced as ka and hi, just like day. But it also means light. But 日 when sounding like hi (or sometimes even gi) it refers to the sun. But to me it is not clear when 火 is fire or light and when to use ka or hi. I mean, hi does not mean light. Actually, sunlight does not sound like hihi and 日火 doesn't mean sunlight.

Sunlight is 日の目.  目 means to see. So 'sun to see' means sunlight.

日光 also means sunlight. But here 光 is a kanji that refers solely to light. It seems there is a distinction between firelight or lamplight with 火 and natural light with 光.

Actually, photon means 光子 and 子 means kid or child. I don't really know why 子 is used. I have also seen it used in 'egg'.

天日 also means sunlight, 天 means heaven or sky.

陽 also means sunlight, or heaven or daytime or positive.

射 means 'to shine' and is also used to express sunlight; 日射し

But 日光 is pronounced nikkou, 天日is pronounced tenjitsu, 日の目 is hinome, and 陽 as sunlight is hi, just as 日 and  火 can be pronounced as hi. 日射し is pronounced hizashi

And there is also 陽光. Eventhough 陽 on itself can mean sunlight, together with the kanji for light it is another way to express sunlight. I suspect that there is some subtlety somewhere but I am ignorant about it. 陽光 is pronounced youkou. The 'hi' has disappeared. 陽 is no longer pronounced with hi eventhough the meaning is still the same.

So, basically. I have learned 108 pictograms with tons of pronounciations and two systems of alphabeths. But I still don't know any words yet. I have yet to learn those.

Also, some kanji are very very similar. This is going to take some effort from my memory.

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Wait, I am not sure if many people will be able to see the characters. Ooh, well...

[johnny-boy]

Wow, you guys are giving me a headache. Sometimes I have trouble remembering what my wife told me to get at the grocery store.

Best, John

[prometheus]

As for the trick of assosiation. It seems the best way to use our memory. I have seen it recommened by several people and some people with top memories have learned to be able to memorise through these skills.

If you use the search you will find Bernards posts explaining a bit about how to do it when it comes to music.

[johnny-boy]

As for the trick of assosiation. It seems the best way to use our memory. I have seen it recommened by several people and some people with top memories have learned to be able to memorise through these skills.

If you use the search you will find Bernards posts explaining a bit about how to do it when it comes to music.

Funny, I don't have any trouble remembering music - just everything else.

John

[prometheus]

Same here.

Actually, I find the technique strange. I am not sure if I would even want to use it. To me it seems like storing a lot of nonsense. But then again, my memory is one of my strong points when it comes to my mental abilities so I don't really have a problem with it.

[henrah]

I've never understood why my memory works so well with piano music (so well that once I've played something, I remember the notes and fingerings and be able to play it anywhere, disregarding performance standard of course. It's really helpful, cos eventually pieces get themselves ingrained through constant playing, with no real active memorisation on my part - I just consider it 'playing through') but absolutely rubbish with everything else.

I'd sometimes tell a member of my family about a phone message left three days before, and only because their name came up in a conversation. Unless I say it to myself every 5/10 minutes until the time comes when I can tell them, I forget it and need a reminder.

[thalbergmad]

Wow, you guys are giving me a headache. Sometimes I have trouble remembering what my wife told me to get at the grocery store.

Best, John

Going to the grocery store is womens work.

You should not have to do this.

Thal

[johnny-boy]

Going to the grocery store is womens work.

You should not have to do this.

Thal

This is the 21st. Century Thal. Are you caught up in a time warp?

John

[henrah]

Gonna do the time warp again!

haha

[anekdote]

I'm incredibly absent-minded. If someone tells me to leave a message for someone or to acquire a particular item, I often forget what it was I was supposed to do five minutes later. Only many hours or many days later will I remember, but by then it is often too late.

On the other hand, I can read a book and remember all sorts of little details and ideas for years (eidetic memory?). And of my personal experienced memories, I can usually remember everything that happened aside from the dialogue. I can play my personal memories like a movie oftentimes.

My father's memory is even more impressive. His is nearly photographic. He reads a book or watches a movie, and he never forgets the plot or any of the character's names. Even from his childhood. He also remembers the details. In college he was on the champion Trivial Pursuit team.

As far as piano memorization goes, I am pretty good at memorizing pieces. My sight-reading is horrible (because I have never attempted to make it better ), but I can memorize pieces well enough so that I can remember all the notes of a piece before I am actually able to physically play the piece correctly. So many times I memorize the piece, and then practice it without the sheet music.

[Bob]

I did some mnemonics... back in college...  The problem I ran into using it a lot was that I ran out of ideas.  After a hundred pieces, "allegro" and the opus numbers starts to get a little jumbled.  But it did work in the short/medium term and I looked pretty smart for the listening exams.  Now it's forgotten though.  I suppose I would have to rehearse the little stories I made up.

After awhile, you just have to memorize the material.  You have to understand it and absorb it.  And that just takes time, no shortcuts.

(Bob experiences deja vu)  I think there is a thread somewhere about this on this site.... I feel like I've already said this.

[henrah]

So many times I memorize the piece, and then practice it without the sheet music.

Same here

I also remember the really mundane details. I remember that as a child we (me and my family) went to America on a wednesday, and my dad was having particular trouble with a phone box whilst planes were flying really low over our heads. I also remember playing with my dad's Jag's in-car phone whilst sitting on my mum's lap, and my sister making up a different melody to the jungle level on Sonic on the gamegear out in Colorado. We also dammed a river, played chess whilst eating sugar coated cookies, and I managed to stuff 12 large fries into my mouth at a bar. Also I learnt the difference between fries and chips the hard way: a waiter asked if I'd like chips with that, and I was extremely dissapointed to find a bag of plain crisps plonked in front of me.

I also remember whacking a huge bar of Dairy Milk against my brothers elbow and him shouting out 'Why the **** did you do that!?' but he asked me to do it. I was always confused with that.... and also why my mum randomly hit me on the head with a whisk. I don't remember saying anything bad, but I must have said something to deserve a whack on the head. I also remember my mum accidentaly pouring boiling water from a kettle over my head at my grandparents anniversary, and then immediately dunking my head into the nearby pond.


Yet I can never remember if my dad's birthday is on the 21st or 22nd....