Messiaen- Catalogue d'Oiseaux

[thorn]

Is it worth learning? They all seem like pretty hard work, and as much as I like them, it doesnt really seem to me like the kind of thing many people can sit and listen to because you need an... acquired taste.

Just wondering about other people's views on this work.

[pita bread]

With Scarbo and a few assorted bird pieces, not to mention the obligatory Ligeti etudes, you're well on your way to competing in the next Messiaen International.

[soliloquy]

With Scarbo and a few assorted bird pieces, not to mention the obligatory Ligeti etudes, you're well on your way to competing in the next Messiaen International.

Getting there.  Then all you'll need is a couple movements from Vignt Regards, some Messiaen Etudes/preludes, one of the Messiaen Piano Concerti, some Xenakis, Ferneyhough and Boulez ^^  Shouldn't take too long.


Randomly La Merle Roche is my favorite and probably the only movement worth learning.  The uh, Petite Esquisses d'Oiseaux would be much more learnable.

[pita bread]

They really need to post the repertoire requirements for the next one.

[thorn]

With Scarbo and a few assorted bird pieces, not to mention the obligatory Ligeti etudes, you're well on your way to competing in the next Messiaen International.

Messiaen international?  what is this Messiaen international you speak of?

[pita bread]

https://www.civp.com/messiaen/messieangb/amessiaengb.html

[thracozaag]

 Friend of mine won the last one; the rep requirements are totally insane.

koji

[soliloquy]

yeah, stuff like this:

1. either:
Pierre Boulez: 3rd Sonata (Formant 2 or Formant 3) - Universal
or Karlheinz Stockhausen: Klavierstück XI - Universal
or André Boucourechliev: Archipel 4 - Leduc

3. Olivier Messiaen: Réveil des oiseaux, for piano and orchestra - Durand

3 – A work or movement by any one of the following: Luciano Berio, Harrison Birtwistle, Pierre Boulez, Elliott Carter, George Crumb, Franco Donatoni, Brian Ferneyhough, André Jolivet, Mauricio Kagel, György Kurtág, Helmut Lachenmann, Alain Louvier, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Toru Takemitsu or Iannis Xenakis

1 – Olivier Messiaen: one of the following combinations of pieces from Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant Jésus: either 11 and 6, or 15 and 10, or 5 and 18 (Durand)

1 – a work or movement by any one of the following: George Benjamin, Magnus Lindberg, Tristan Murail, Emmanuel Nunes, Wolfgang Rihm or Marco Stroppa  (I know most people don't know why I'm posting this, but let me tell you, Murail and Rihm are up there with Finnissy in difficulty)

3 – György Ligeti: three or four Etudes


In previous years the Boulez Deuxieme Sonate and, much more terrifyingly, "Xenakis Evryali or "Herma"- Musique Symbolique" have shown up on the roster.

[ahinton]

yeah, stuff like this:

1. either:
Pierre Boulez: 3rd Sonata (Formant 2 or Formant 3) - Universal
or Karlheinz Stockhausen: Klavierstück XI - Universal
or André Boucourechliev: Archipel 4 - Leduc

3. Olivier Messiaen: Réveil des oiseaux, for piano and orchestra - Durand

3 – A work or movement by any one of the following: Luciano Berio, Harrison Birtwistle, Pierre Boulez, Elliott Carter, George Crumb, Franco Donatoni, Brian Ferneyhough, André Jolivet, Mauricio Kagel, György Kurtág, Helmut Lachenmann, Alain Louvier, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Toru Takemitsu or Iannis Xenakis

1 – Olivier Messiaen: one of the following combinations of pieces from Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant Jésus: either 11 and 6, or 15 and 10, or 5 and 18 (Durand)

1 – a work or movement by any one of the following: George Benjamin, Magnus Lindberg, Tristan Murail, Emmanuel Nunes, Wolfgang Rihm or Marco Stroppa  (I know most people don't know why I'm posting this, but let me tell you, Murail and Rihm are up there with Finnissy in difficulty)

3 – György Ligeti: three or four Etudes


In previous years the Boulez Deuxieme Sonate and, much more terrifyingly, "Xenakis Evryali or "Herma"- Musique Symbolique" have shown up on the roster.

Sure - but is this really "insane" (not that it was you personally who was suggesting as much); it seems eminently appropriate for a specialised piano competition such as this. If there's anything less than sane about this, it may be in its implication that it is sufficient for a pianist desiring recognition for contemporary music performance to present programmes for this competition that are entirely devoted to this area of repertoire - a stance that accordingly seems to presume that an estimation of participators' brilliance in Bach, Beethoven, Liszt, Godowsky et al is not sought by its jury. Given the decidedly French leanings here, perhaps the absence of Alkan is also a little surprising - and, given Messiaen's own well-documented love of Albéniz, the omission of anything from Ibéria is arguably also somewhat surprising...

Best,

Alistair

[mephisto]

A living pianists who i find very underrated is Hĺkon Austbř(or Haakon Austboe for does who don`t have a ř or a ĺ on their keyboard), did actually manage to win this comp. Consider that.

[thorn]

A living pianists who i find cery underrated is Hĺkon Austbř(or Haakon Austboe for does who don`t have a ř or a ĺ on their keyboard), did actually manage to win this comp. Co nsider that.

I have his recordings of the Messiaen Preludes, Etudes de rythme and Canteyodjaya- he is a pretty good pianist.

In that syllabus thing posted above... i dont even know half of the composers 

[soliloquy]

Sure - but is this really "insane" (not that it was you personally who was suggesting as much); it seems eminently appropriate for a specialised piano competition such as this. If there's anything less than sane about this, it may be in its implication that it is sufficient for a pianist desiring recognition for contemporary music performance to present programmes for this competition that are entirely devoted to this area of repertoire - a stance that accordingly seems to presume that an estimation of participators' brilliance in Bach, Beethoven, Liszt, Godowsky et al is not sought by its jury. Given the decidedly French leanings here, perhaps the absence of Alkan is also a little surprising - and, given Messiaen's own well-documented love of Albéniz, the omission of anything from Ibéria is arguably also somewhat surprising...

Best,

Alistair

Actually in either 2000 or 2003 (don't remember) movements from Iberia were part of the repertoire.

[ahinton]

Actually in either 2000 or 2003 (don't remember) movements from Iberia were part of the repertoire.

Ah! I didn't know that - a fact for which, if there's any excuse, it might be that my ignorance here, however, seems to be paralleled by the evident validity of what I'd assumed to be mere speculations on the subject!

Best,

Alistair

[mephisto]

Messiaen is an amazing composer, so it is sad that you have to play poor music like Stockhausen and Boulez to compete in his competition.