Your favourite Chopin Composition

[ihatepop]

Hope you'll bother to say why...

[nicco]

among those...the grande polonaise op.22

[ihatepop]

among those...the grande polonaise op.22

Aha! Good choice!!!

[Kassaa]

Aha! Good choice!!!

what is this, his best works are not listed. Ballade no.4, Polonaise-Fantasie, Scherzo no. 4, Sonata no. 3, but you do list the Fantasie-Impromptu, a piece Chopin wanted to be burned?

[orlandopiano]

what is this, his best works are not listed. Ballade no.4, Polonaise-Fantasie, Scherzo no. 4, Sonata no. 3, but you do list the Fantasie-Impromptu, a piece Chopin wanted to be burned?

But it'd make a nice Greatest Hits CD. 

[dnephi]

Chopin Ballade No. 4 or Sonata #2.  I gotta hear that Ballade lol.  Anyone have an MP3?

[moi_not_toi]

fantasie-impromptu is the best b/cs it sounds cool

[pianote]

none of the ones listed

[bflatminor24]

fantasie-impromptu is the best b/cs it sounds cool

I can't help but laugh at this. C'mon guys, is this the best we can do on a PIANO FORUM for crying out loud? At least back it up with something!

And yes, Chopin wanted one of his assistants to burn it because it was too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and Chopin revered Beethoven and could not bear to have one of his compositions identically resemble two measure of the Moonlight Sonata.

I think Chopin's best pieces (not in order) are:

Sonata 2
Sonata 3
Ballade 1
Ballade 4,
Scherzo 1
Scherzo 2
Etudes Op. 10 and Op. 25
Preludes Op. 28
Polonaise 6 Op. 53
Polonaise 5 Op. 44
Piano Concerto 1 Op. 11
Impromptu 3 Op.51
Barcarolle Op. 60
Grand Polonaise Brilliante Op. 22

[Kassaa]

I can't help but laugh at this. C'mon guys, is this the best we can do on a PIANO FORUM for crying out loud? At least back it up with something!

And yes, Chopin wanted one of his assistants to burn it because it was too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and Chopin revered Beethoven and could not bear to have one of his compositions identically resemble two measure of the Moonlight Sonata.

I think Chopin's best pieces (not in order) are:

Sonata 2
Sonata 3
Ballade 1
Ballade 4,
Scherzo 1
Scherzo 2
Etudes Op. 10 and Op. 25
Preludes Op. 28
Polonaise 6 Op. 53
Polonaise 5 Op. 44
Piano Concerto 1 Op. 11
Impromptu 3 Op.51
Barcarolle Op. 60
Grand Polonaise Brilliante Op. 22

You forgot the Polonaise Fantasie, scherzo 1 and 2 should be replaced with 3 and 4.

[steveie986]

Definitely the Polonaise-Fantaisie. One of the few Chopin pieces that can genuinely be called "subtle."

[brewtality]

I thought you hated pop?

My favourite Chopin is the Third Ballade.

[kony]

etude op10 no10

[jas]

And yes, Chopin wanted one of his assistants to burn it because it was too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and Chopin revered Beethoven and could not bear to have one of his compositions identically resemble two measure of the Moonlight Sonata.

He wanted it burned because it resembled a work by Moscheles, whom Chopin knew quite well. They often played together, and Chopin didn't want it to look like he'd copied him. And Chopin didn't revere Beethoven; he was actually quite ambivalent towards him. Or rather, he didn't really relate to his music in the way that, say, Liszt did. It was Bach and Mozart he revered.

Jas

[thalbergmad]

Rondo Op16

Thal

[nicco]

none of the ones listed

Which one among these is your favourite?

Surely you cant think they are all crap

[phil13]

Did it ever occur to any of you that he/she made the poll to get a specific answer, not a whole bunch of posts about "Oh, those aren't even Chopin's BEST works.(lifts nose up in disapproval) Let's taunt and critique this person for not being spot-on with what we want. (commences taunting and critiquing)" Sure, Chopin wrote many works that aren't on that list that could be considered 'better', but that's no excuse to flame ihatepop for selecting a list of their choice.

So, I ask the next question in sequence: Ihatepop, why have you chosen this particular list or works?

Phil

[bflatminor24]

He wanted it burned because it resembled a work by Moscheles, whom Chopin knew quite well. They often played together, and Chopin didn't want it to look like he'd copied him. And Chopin didn't revere Beethoven; he was actually quite ambivalent towards him. Or rather, he didn't really relate to his music in the way that, say, Liszt did. It was Bach and Mozart he revered.

Jas

Hey Jas, I appreciate that you are trying correct me, but you should be more academic about your posts. How about citing a source? Well, here is mine, and it vindicates my original post about why Chopin disliked the Fantaisie-Impromptu. Read it and weep.

"It was said that Chopin disliked the piece. As a result, it was not published until after his death. A possible reason for this was that it was written when he was still quite young (it is the first of the impromptus written) and he thought himself immature — the piece lacks substance. However, a more likely reason was that there is a passage in the piece (measure 7/8) which is exactly the same (note-wise, at least) to a passage in the third movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, Op. 27 No. 2 (a mini-cadenza prior to the coda, measure 187). Chopin had enormous amounts of respect for Beethoven towards the end of his life, and had instructed his student and secretary, Julian Fontana, to destroy the piece."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantaisie-Impromptu

-Max

[soliloquy]

Among those I guess the Ballade No. 1

My favorites though are the Romanza from Piano Concerto No. 1, Scherzo No. 4, Fantasy Op. 49, Prelude Op. 28 No. 24, Barcolle Op. 60 and the last movement of the Sonata No. 3

[Kassaa]

Hey Jas, I appreciate that you are trying correct me, but you should be more academic about your posts. How about citing a source? Well, here is mine, and it vindicates my original post about why Chopin disliked the Fantaisie-Impromptu. Read it and weep.

"It was said that Chopin disliked the piece. As a result, it was not published until after his death. A possible reason for this was that it was written when he was still quite young (it is the first of the impromptus written) and he thought himself immature — the piece lacks substance. However, a more likely reason was that there is a passage in the piece (measure 7/8) which is exactly the same (note-wise, at least) to a passage in the third movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, Op. 27 No. 2 (a mini-cadenza prior to the coda, measure 187). Chopin had enormous amounts of respect for Beethoven towards the end of his life, and had instructed his student and secretary, Julian Fontana, to destroy the piece."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantaisie-Impromptu

-Max

What a wonderful source you have, next minute I could have changed it in favor of Jas :\ .

[bflatminor24]

What a wonderful source you have, next minute I could have changed it in favor of Jas :\ .

Kassaa et al,

Before you get up on your high-and-mighty editing horse and challenge Wikipedia, know that spurious claims and statements made on Wikipedia are edited back within minutes. And don't go sabotaging an online encyclopedia out of spite. It matched up very well against Brittannica in a recent study and we're not ones to question it's credibility. AND I have yet to see a source that indicates otherwise...

So until then,

Have a nice day 

[Kassaa]

Kassaa et al,

Before you get up on your high-and-mighty editing horse and challenge Wikipedia, know that spurious claims and statements made on Wikipedia are edited back within minutes. And don't go sabotaging an online encyclopedia out of spite. It matched up very well against Brittannica in a recent study and we're not ones to question it's credibility. AND I have yet to see a source that indicates otherwise...

So until then,

Have a nice day 

https://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf

[bflatminor24]

https://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf

So you're going to take the word of Encyclopedia Britannica ITSELF over an unbiased and third party magazine. Yeah, that's good research. That's like showing up at the White House to gather information about what really happened at Watergate. Yeah, Nixon himself will tell you what happened. Just like Britannica will tell you it's far superior.

And anyway, what does this have to do with my post about the Fantaisie-Impromptu? Until I read a credible source that says OTHERWISE, I stand with what I wrote. Find me a source that vindicates Jas' position regarding Moscheles. Then you'll have a bone to pick with me.

Good day 

[psaiko]

My favourite chopin composition will have to be the 4th Ballade, but thats not on the list.

[bflatminor24]

My favorite is the Op. 28 set of Preludes. Wonderful pieces....

[Kassaa]

So you're going to take the word of Encyclopedia Britannica ITSELF over an unbiased and third party magazine. Yeah, that's good research. That's like showing up at the White House to gather information about what really happened at Watergate. Yeah, Nixon himself will tell you what happened. Just like Britannica will tell you it's far superior.

And anyway, what does this have to do with my post about the Fantaisie-Impromptu? Until I read a credible source that says OTHERWISE, I stand with what I wrote. Find me a source that vindicates Jas' position regarding Moscheles. Then you'll have a bone to pick with me.

Good day 

Have you read the article? There are some obvious errors in the research done by Nature, and Britannica responses to this research in a good way.

Btw, I do agree with you on the Fantasie-Impromptu, it's just that Wikipedia isn't a safe source to back up on.

[bflatminor24]

Have you read the article? There are some obvious errors in the research done by Nature, and Britannica responses to this research in a good way.

Btw, I do agree with you on the Fantasie-Impromptu, it's just that Wikipedia isn't a safe source to back up on.

I did read the article, and there were some fundamental flaws in Nature's investigation. But bear in mind Wikipedia has it's own rebuttal should it choose to use it. Wikipedia is more up-to-date than Britannica. I purchased Britannica 2006 and within weeks it was outdated. Wikipedia easy-access, easy-edit stays current and I can rely on information newly presented to the public. For example, just the other day I watched Brazil beat Japan in the FIFA World Cup 2006. 5 minutes after the game, I went over to Wikipedia and read the article on the game and it's players, all of which was current. There is something to be said for timeliness. And anyway, it's factual accuracy is still very good, and certainly not put in question by this study.

[steveie986]

Wikipedia has fantastic entertainment value. It's just not for academic purposes.

[moi69]

4th ballde, etude op 25n°11, scherzo 1 & 4...

[jas]

Hey Jas, I appreciate that you are trying correct me, but you should be more academic about your posts. How about citing a source? Well, here is mine, and it vindicates my original post about why Chopin disliked the Fantaisie-Impromptu. Read it and weep.

This isn't a competition, don't get your knickers in a twist. I can't think off the top of my head where I read that, but I've read it in several sources, all of which are more legitimate than Wikipedia. I've done a lot of reading on Chopin, though, so I can't always remember what came from where. It was Moscheles's op.89 Impromptu that it was similar to, I think... I'll see if I can find out, though I don't know why you think I'm lying to you.

Wikipedia has fantastic entertainment value. It's just not for academic purposes.

I agree. One of my tutors at university sent round an email telling us not to use it for study because it's too unreliable.

[bflatminor24]

This isn't a competition, don't get your knickers in a twist. I can't think off the top of my head where I read that, but I've read it in several sources, all of which are more legitimate than Wikipedia. I'll see if I can find out, though I don't know why you think I'd be lying to you.

It's not that I think you're lying, I just have a hard time being corrected without a source. You MIGHT be right, but I'll never know until you show me something. That's all I meant.

[jas]

It's not that I think you're lying, I just have a hard time being corrected without a source. You MIGHT be right, but I'll never know until you show me something. That's all I meant.

Fair enough. You must have replied while I was editing, I added the Moscheles work. Still can't remember where I read it, though...

[bflatminor24]

Fair enough. You must have replied while I was editing, I added the Moscheles work. Still can't remember where I read it, though...

Do a google search for Fantaisie-Impromptu and Moscheles, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

You mentioned you added the Moscheles work? Do you mean score? Or recording? I'd be curious since I've never heard or seen it.
-Max

[jas]

Do a google search for Fantaisie-Impromptu and Moscheles, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

You mentioned you added the Moscheles work? Do you mean score? Or recording? I'd be curious since I've never heard or seen it.
-Max

I didn't read it on the net, I read it in a book. I don't accept facts if I just pick them up on google.

I just meant I'd added the name of it to my post. I haven't heard it either. In fact, I don't think I've heard anything by Moscheles...

[bflatminor24]

I didn't read it on the net, I read it in a book. I don't accept facts if I just pick them up on google.

I just meant I'd added the name of it to my post. I haven't heard it either. In fact, I don't think I've heard anything by Moscheles...

What's your favorite impromptu?