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Topic: What do you think of this fingering?  (Read 1736 times)

Offline persona

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What do you think of this fingering?
on: June 26, 2006, 02:23:01 AM
In bar number 107 (the second one), I'm using this fingering for the right hand: 

1 2 3 4   1 2 3 4   5 4 3 4   3 2 1 3

The part in bold seems quite weird to me, since I'm doing a 4-1 shift on two white keys, without taking advantage of the middle finger on F#. Do you have any suggestions, or do you think I should stick to this fingering?

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 03:30:14 AM
     I think you should stick to that fingering... That seems to be the most fluid way of playing it, and if it works for you, I don't see any reason to change it. I'd probably do it that way, too.
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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 04:44:55 AM
Ok, thanx for your answer piano guy. Anyone else?

Offline debussy symbolism

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #3 on: June 26, 2006, 05:47:16 AM
Greetings.

Seems correct.

Offline avetma

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 08:18:23 AM
I would rather use that f# and do something like this. Ofcourse, your thumb should be very adopted. (I suposed that next tone is f# ::))

Or maybe I'm just to complicated  ;D

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #5 on: June 26, 2006, 04:04:30 PM
Avetma,

What do you mean by: "Of course, your thumb should be very adopted."

I'm not making fun or trying to embarrass you or poke fun in any way, but did you mean
"adept"?

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #6 on: June 26, 2006, 04:56:59 PM
I could not find better expression because my english is (as you can see) on not-very-good level ;D

I tried to say that your fingers should be flexible and you should feel comfortable in playing thumb near fifth finger. :)

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #7 on: June 26, 2006, 05:54:21 PM
I have to agree with Avetma.  I would play the first part like a scale, since it IS one.

1 2 3 1 2 3 4 1  . . .

Then I would need to know the beginning of the next measure, to figure out the rest.

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #8 on: June 26, 2006, 07:29:11 PM
2 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 etc, also possible, both legato, but I prefer having thumb under 2 than 4.

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #9 on: June 26, 2006, 11:23:35 PM
avetma's option seems quite reasonable, maybe I'll switch to that one, I'll see...

Kassaa: yours is impossible because one is forced to use 2 on the note right before the D (I probably should have mentioned this)

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 01:59:44 AM
avetma's option seems quite reasonable, maybe I'll switch to that one, I'll see...

Kassaa: yours is impossible because one is forced to use 2 on the note right before the D (I probably should have mentioned this)

Personally, I'd stick to what you originally had 1234 1234 ... the thumb crossing is no different than a simple C Major scale.  I just learned the Beethoven 32 Variations in c minor, and there's one variation near the end that has several ascending scales in a row, and the easiest fingering for them was a fingering that didn't conform to the standard scale fingerings.
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Offline avetma

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #11 on: June 27, 2006, 09:16:33 AM
Personally, I'd stick to what you originally had 1234 1234 ... the thumb crossing is no different than a simple C Major scale.  I just learned the Beethoven 32 Variations in c minor, and there's one variation near the end that has several ascending scales in a row, and the easiest fingering for them was a fingering that didn't conform to the standard scale fingerings.

In C major you have 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 but not 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4. ::)
If this is easier option, why not take advantage on f#? For me it's much easier even in high tempo...

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #12 on: June 27, 2006, 09:45:01 AM
In C major you have 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 but not 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4. ::)
If this is easier option, why not take advantage on f#? For me it's much easier even in high tempo...

Surely you're not suggesting that a C Major scale is ONLY ONE OCTAVE... ::)

Your fingering is good too -- I didn't mean to say it was wrong, and it might actually work better, I don't know.  I'd actually have to see the next measure to say for sure.  The reason I suggested keeping that fingering is because it uses less thumb crossing, which makes the movements simpler and more fluid (based on this one measure).
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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #13 on: June 27, 2006, 10:45:05 AM
avetma's option seems quite reasonable, maybe I'll switch to that one, I'll see...

Kassaa: yours is impossible because one is forced to use 2 on the note right before the D (I probably should have mentioned this)
oh sh*t, I thought it were two d's, but it's a C# :\

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Re: What do you think of this fingering?
Reply #14 on: June 27, 2006, 10:54:47 AM
Surely you're not suggesting that a C Major scale is ONLY ONE OCTAVE... ::)

Your fingering is good too -- I didn't mean to say it was wrong, and it might actually work better, I don't know.  I'd actually have to see the next measure to say for sure.  The reason I suggested keeping that fingering is because it uses less thumb crossing, which makes the movements simpler and more fluid (based on this one measure).

Yes, you are right. But still I think that C major is one of the hardest scales to play fast and fluid. So, I took that fingering because it's logical to take advantage on black key instead making problem with 4-1 on white keys.
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