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amanfang
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something light, and/or something with "bite"
on: June 27, 2006, 12:37:24 AM
I'm looking for a 20th century piece (or set of pieces) to add to a program. So far I'm working on:
Beethoven Sonata No. 31, Op. 110
Mendelssohn Variations Serieuses, Op. 54
I need something either impressionist or modern to add to the mix. My teacher suggested something with "bite," but then he suggested perhaps something "lighter." So I'm not sure. I initially picked Poulenc's Napoli Suite for piano, but decided I don't want it after all. I thought about maybe picking some Scriabin preludes for the "bite," but is there something short (still modern - either a single work, or selected pieces from a longer set) I could use to sort of lighten the program? I am thinking somewhere in the 8-10 minute range. Nothing too long.
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jre58591
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
the first things that came to mind were ravel's valses nobles et sentimentales. those are nice little effective pieces with a "bite", per sé. also, scriabin doesnt really count as 20th century, unless you play one of his later pieces. sonatas 6-10, vers la flamme, and etudes op 65 would be good options. if you want something a bit less popular, im not the best authority, but i can suggest rzewski's squares or north american ballades, which are great avant-garde pieces. also, take a look at messiaen and rautavaara. messiaen's vingt regards, 4 etudes, or 8 preludes would be good picks also. also, rautavaara's pieces are good options. his sonatas are really short and effective.
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 04:42:27 AM
Danzas Argentinas - Ginastera
1st movements got bite, light second movement, third movements rllllly got bite... around 7 minutes long...
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 09:03:35 AM
The (IV) Vivace movement of Prokofiev's 2nd Sonata Op.14 would be perfect...from the lightness to the speed to the somewhat comical atmosphere.
the op. 110 is amazing btw (nice choice.)
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amanfang
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 01:49:24 PM
I've already played the Danzas Argentinas. I don't think it really fits with the rest of my program either. The Ravel valses are out too. And the Prokofiev was a popular piece last year, so I don't think I want to do that one either.
Any other suggestions?
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amanfang
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
JRE - I listened to clips of Rautavaara on Amazon. I actually really like what I heard of the partita. It's a bit short though. Perhaps I could do a Scriabin set of preludes and etudes, and then throw in the other as a short set.
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skyhawk
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 03:26:44 PM
What about Griffes's "The Vale of Dreams?"
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donjuan
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 03:45:11 PM
Prokofiev: March from "The Love for Three Oranges" suite
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amanfang
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #8 on: June 27, 2006, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: skyhawk on June 27, 2006, 03:26:44 PM
What about Griffes's "The Vale of Dreams?"
I'll look at the set. I was originally going to do the fantasy pieces, but the barcarolle didn't fit my hands very well. The problem with The Vale of Dreams is that I can't reach the 9ths. Unless I roll the chords.
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phil13
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 06:03:19 PM
How long do you have until you play the program?
Something light and with bite:
Scriabin Etudes in B-flat Minor and D-sharp minor, Op.8-11(light) and 8-12 (bite, together about 7 mins?)
Debussy Suite Bergamasque (all 4 parts, not sure of its length, but it's mostly light. That's Debussy for you
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Medtner Sonata-Skazka Op.25 No.1 (1st+2nd=light, 3rd=bite, 12 mins?)
Scriabin Vers La Flamme (both, 6 mins but very tricky and you need really good double-note technique to do the tremolos)
Barber Sonata- Mvt.4: Fuga (mostly bite, 5 mins. but frickin' hard)
I'm not the person to ask about 20th-century, but these are fairly romantic 20th-century and/or impressionist, so maybe one of them will fit the bill accordingly.
Phil
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amanfang
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 05:23:38 PM
I have 9 months to learn the program. I am a slow learner, but it should be plenty of time. I do not have a score or recording of the Scriabin etudes. Next time I go to the music library I'll look them up.
Isn't Medtner more of a Romantic - like Rachmaninoff?
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 06:22:06 PM
this may sound a bit "different" but mabye a joplin rag? - or is that too much of a contrast
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Re: something light, and/or something with "bite"
Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: amanfang on June 28, 2006, 05:23:38 PM
Isn't Medtner more of a Romantic - like Rachmaninoff?
Yes, but then again, so are the Scriabin etudes I mentioned.
Phil
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