Polyrhythms precursor composer

[rafant]

I use to listen a lot of Bach, Scarlatti and Handel's works for keyboard, and I have not found yet that they use polyrhythms (2 against 3 notes, etc.) at all. But of course romantic composers use polyrhythms often. Who was the precursor?

[phil13]

Bach used some 2 on 3, but I think Beethoven was the first to use them and other polyrhythms regularly.

Phil

[presto agitato]

Scriabin is the master of polyrhythms

[pianiststrongbad]

I have found 2 against 3 in some mozart.

[phil13]

Scriabin is the master of polyrhythms

Yes he is, but that doesn't help us. 

I have found 2 against 3 in some mozart.

Bach is still a precursor to Mozart, unless he used 4 on 3 or 5 on 3 somewhere.

Phil

[rafant]

Thanks to all for your kind interventions. Could you please specify the works also?

[mephisto]

Yes he is, but that doesn't help us. 

Bach is still a precursor to Mozart, unless he used 4 on 3 or 5 on 3 somewhere.

Phil

Mozart uses 3 against 4 in the 1st mwt of His sonata i c major k330.

[bernhard]

A few pre-Classical/Romantic composers using polyrhythms:

A number of Scarlatti (1865 – 1757) sonatas have polyrhythms (e.g. the very beautiful K466).

Gaetano Pugnani (1727 – 1893) – See his Minuetto and Variation (the variation is in 3 against 2 throughout).

Jean Phillipe Rameau (1683 - 1764) – See his “Les Niais de Sologne”

I am sure there are many more.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[sevencircles]

Bach used some 2 on 3, but I think Beethoven was the first to use them and other polyrhythms regularly.

What works?

[bernhard]

What works?

Sonata op. 2 no. 1 (Beethoven) (just one example).

[phil13]

Sonata op. 2 no. 1 (Beethoven) (just one example).

also 4-on-3 in 'Pathetique'

Phil