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Offline chopiabin

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Chopin's first Ballade
« on: December 25, 2003, 07:50:26 AM »
I really love this piece, and I was wondering if anyone knows how much experience is needed to pull it off. It seems to me that the hardest part would be memorizing it. Has anyone played it? How long did it take before you were able to play it through relatively well?

Chop

piano sheet music of Ballade 1


Offline Dave_2004_G

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #1 on: December 26, 2003, 01:19:40 AM »
Haven't played it but am also thinking about it - general consensus is that it's pretty damn difficult

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Offline krenske

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #2 on: December 26, 2003, 02:12:09 AM »
Well... this is the one piece that Horowitz thought he could never get perfect! I haven't heard a good Ballade 1 yet either, except in my imagination:)
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Offline johnreef

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #3 on: December 27, 2003, 01:31:47 AM »
The first Ballade is technically difficult, musically difficult, but very very easy to memorize. I have heard many many recordings and have not yet found one wherein I like everything the pianist does in interpretation. Michelangeli playes the first presentation of the second theme better than anyone else (in my opinion) but the rest is too disjointed....Arrau plays wonderfully until the coda, where he gets a bit too dry. Rubinstein is wonderfully musical but lacking a bit intellectually. Paderewski misses the point of the whole piece. Richter (contrary to his stereotypes) changes the dynamics and is inconsistant with his pedaling, but musical nevertheless. Zimmerman is too weird. So you have to buy all of them.

Offline thracozaag

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #4 on: December 27, 2003, 02:06:15 AM »
 Two best performances on disc I've heard (both live performances): Hofmann and Gilels.
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Offline IgnazPaderewski

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #5 on: December 27, 2003, 02:17:03 AM »
This piece isnt hard to play at all, it is reasonably simple tecnically. But, if you play the ending in time it can get extremely taxing, but NObody ever does (just count from the coda till the end and youll see what I mean). And for god sakes do not yield to tradition and do meaningless tempo changes that are not written, just follow what is in the score and DO NOT listen to any recordings if you want to play the piece as chopin wanted. Zimmerman is the only recording I have heard that bears any resemblance to what is on the page (possibly rubinstein too). Horowitz CANNOT play this piece on any level, he cannot even hit the right notes (even in early recordings), so avoid his recordings like the plague.

Offline thracozaag

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #6 on: December 27, 2003, 02:18:58 AM »
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This piece isnt hard to play at all, it is reasonably simple tecnically. But, if you play the ending in time it can get extremely taxing, but  Horowitz CANNOT play this piece on any level, he cannot even hit the right notes (even in early recordings), so avoid his recordings like the plague.


 *chuckle*
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Offline IgnazPaderewski

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #7 on: December 27, 2003, 02:40:50 AM »
That is the most grammatically obscure paraphrase of my post that could possibly be concocted, do you disagree with what I said? I don't know how to read your chuckle....

Offline dj

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #8 on: December 27, 2003, 06:25:52 AM »
i have a horowitz recording that isn't bad, in fact my piano teacher likes horowitz's recording the best. i personally prefer rubinstein though. as to playing it, it's still a bit above my head, but im getting there
rach on!

Offline eddie92099

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #9 on: December 27, 2003, 12:05:47 PM »
I very much enjoyed listening to Idil Biret,
Ed (running for cover)

Offline IgnazPaderewski

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #10 on: December 27, 2003, 12:28:06 PM »
Tee hee..... I've got an argerich recording of this live in carnegie ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #11 on: December 27, 2003, 12:34:04 PM »
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Tee hee..... I've got an argerich recording of this live in carnegie ;D ;D ;D


So the perfect recording does exist  ;D. Can you send me it?
Ed

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Re: Chopin's first Ballade
«Reply #12 on: December 27, 2003, 09:41:45 PM »
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I very much enjoyed listening to Idil Biret,
Ed (running for cover)



Nothing to be embarrassed about, it's quite good, I agree.
"We have to reach a certain level before we realize how small we are."--Georges Cziffra