What's the difference between..

[pies]

a piano transcription and a piano reduction?

[phil13]

one sounds nicer.   

Phil

[pies]

You're very helpful.

[phil13]

Okay, I don't really think there IS a difference- maybe you can get everything important on the original score into a piano transcription, but not a piano reduction?

I usually hear piano transcriptions as whole works defined in their own, but a piano reduction is more like the shrunken orchestral part for a concerto.

Phil

[bench warmer]

A piano reduction is what manufacturers do to make a Concert Grand into a Baby Grand.
I thought every body knew that!

[barnowl]

I like those itty-bitty  Table Talk pies - the lemon ones, especially. I'm hungry right now, so if one of you could send me—

Oh.

Not pies. 

Pianos. Ick.

This isn't the Dessert Forum?

[barnowl]

Seriously now - honest....

If you're interested, go to...

https://www.classicalarchives.com/mozart.html#mozart_piano_con

...and scroll down to Mozart's 5th Piano Concerto. Notice there are two recordings by different artists. Look to the far right and in the second recording you will see in parens,the abbreviation p. red. This is something I might never have noticed if it weren't for you.

By listening to both artists' renderings, I think you will get the answer to your question - well maybe part of the answer.

[stagefright]

A piano reduction is an arrangement for piano of a piece for many instruments. It will often include indications of which instrument plays the various melodies and other notes. Intended for study purpose.

Piano transcription is a transcription of an orchestral score or a composition for an other instrument to be playable on piano as a piano solo piece. Intended for performance purpose.

[barnowl]

This kind of thing is old news to many of you, and off the subject, perhaps, but...

I have a CD of Emanuel Axe playing - on the piano - Beethoven's Violin Concerto.
As much as I adore the violin concerto, I hate the pian-ized version.

You know how people say that the major drawback of the piano is the fact that it requires constant attack. "Big deal," I thought when first hearing that comment. But this horrid piece really drove the point home.

Try it yourself and see.  However, I'll be surprised if everyone agrees. Some folks out there probably love the piece.

Oh.

In case you don't know, Beethoven's publisher persuaded Ludvig to transcribe the piece for the piano, figuring (correctly, I suppose) that more people play the piano than the fiddle, so he'd sell more sheet music this way.

Is "transcribe" the right term for this situation?

[stagefright]

This kind of thing is old news to many of you, and off the subject, perhaps, but...

I have a CD of Emanuel Axe playing - on the piano - Beethoven's Violin Concerto.
As much as I adore the violin concerto, I hate the pian-ized version.

Oh.

In case you don't know, Beethoven's publisher persuaded Ludvig to transcribe the piece for the piano, figuring (correctly, I suppose) that more people play the piano than the fiddle, so he'd sell more sheet music this way.

bear in mind that in the past transcriptions were the only way to enjoy the popular music outside concert halls - there were no recordings, and if you wanted to recall some good tunes you'd heard in concert, you had to play them by yourself
and piano playing was almost a basic skill for the "good society" of those times

[barnowl]

bear in mind that in the past transcriptions were the only way to enjoy the popular music outside concert halls - there were no recordings, and if you wanted to recall some good tunes you'd heard in concert, you had to play them by yourself
and piano playing was almost a basic skill for the "good society" of those times

True. But what do you think of the piano transcription. Do you like it?

[stagefright]

True. But what do you think of the piano transcription. Do you like it?

some are great, in the first place those made by the same author of the orchestral piece  (e.g. Brahms, Dvorak)

or those made by a real master (e.g. Segovia's transcriptions for guitar of Bach's music)

[barnowl]

Beethoven's Violin Concerto transcribed for piano (if that's the right way to say it).

Do you like that transcription?

[stagefright]

Beethoven's Violin Concerto transcribed for piano (if that's the right way to say it).

Do you like that transcription?

Do not know it (the transcription I mean); never heard it

Yes, transcrinbe is correct word
tran·scribe  (trn-skrb)
tr.v. tran·scribed, tran·scrib·ing, tran·scribes
1. To make a full written or typewritten copy of (dictated material, for example).
2. Computer Science To transfer (information) from one recording and storing system to another.
3. Music
a. To adapt or arrange (a composition) for a voice or instrument other than the original.
b. To translate (a composition) from one notational system to another.
c. To reduce (live or recorded music) to notation.
4. To record, usually on tape, for broadcast at a later date.
5. Linguistics To represent (speech sounds) by phonetic symbols.
6. To translate or transliterate.
7. Biology To cause (DNA) to undergo transcription.

[barnowl]

Do not know it (the transcription I mean); never heard it

Yes, transcrinbe is correct word
tran·scribe  (trn-skrb)
tr.v. tran·scribed, tran·scrib·ing, tran·scribes
1. To make a full written or typewritten copy of (dictated material, for example).
2. Computer Science To transfer (information) from one recording and storing system to another.
3. Music
a. To adapt or arrange (a composition) for a voice or instrument other than the original.
b. To translate (a composition) from one notational system to another.
c. To reduce (live or recorded music) to notation.
4. To record, usually on tape, for broadcast at a later date.
5. Linguistics To represent (speech sounds) by phonetic symbols.
6. To translate or transliterate.
7. Biology To cause (DNA) to undergo transcription.

You may not be familiar with the transcription, but you know how to be supercilious.

[stagefright]

You may not be familiar with the transcription, but you know how to be supercilious.

sorry, didn't get it

[barnowl]

sorry, didn't get it

My bolding

supercilious

adj 1: having or showing arrogant superiority to and disdain of those one views as unworthy; "some economists are disdainful of their colleagues in other social disciplines"; "haughty aristocrats"; "his lordly manners were offensive"; "walked with a prideful swagger"; "very sniffy about breaches of etiquette"; "his mother eyed my clothes with a supercilious air"; "shaggy supercilious camels"; "a more swaggering mood than usual"- W.L.Shirer [syn: disdainful, haughty, lordly, prideful, sniffy, swaggering] 2: expressive of contempt; "curled his lip in a supercilious smile"; "spoke in a sneering jeering manner"; "makes many a sharp comparison but never a mean or snide one" [syn: sneering, snide]

[stagefright]

I know what supercilious means, but still can't get the reason why you mean it.
If I disagree with you it doesn't mean I disdain you.

[barnowl]

I know what supercilious means, but still can't get the reason why you mean it.
If I disagree with you it doesn't mean I disdain you.

Well, posting  that absurdly lengthy definition (as to a child) of "transcribe" smacked of disdain. No call for it at all.

[stagefright]

13.07.2006
....Is "transcribe" the right term for this situation?

18.07.2006
.... Beethoven's Violin Concerto transcribed for piano (if that's the right way to say it).

It was a simple copy-paste from an online dictionary in order to confirm your "doubts".
I apologise for missinterpreted your questions. (Should I at all?)