Once a piece is played in the wrong style, the examiner WILL fail you.
Needless to say, you should not play any wrong notes.
The pieces were on that link I provided, no need to copy them all out. Needless replies I have to scroll through .
I disagree. If you play a FEW wrong notes, the examiner will usually accept you are just nervous. Musicality is more important.
The pieces in Dip ABRSM and other boards are meant to be harder than 8th grade. They examiners would obviously demand a really high standard because you've completed 8th grades! In fact the standards are so high here in the AMEB in Australia that once you reach diploma grades you have 2 examiners in an exam and 3 in a Fellowship. Now this is proof of how though it gets in Australia!JL
To say that its a little difficult than Grade 8 would be an understatement. This is because the standard of grade 8 has dropped over the years. When you talk about standard, i suppose you mean what is expected of you. Needless to say, you should not play any wrong notes.
I completely disagree with the notion that Dip ABRSM is a much higher standard than Grade 8, simply put it is not. It is meant to be roughly equal to a recital given at the end of your first year in an undergraduate degree in performance. So it is really only a year's work away after you pass grade 8.
Really? No wrong notes? When I was doing my earlier grades my teacher said that apparently the examiner would knock off 3 points for each wrong note in the pieces (it was marked out of 150 at that time and you had to get 100 to pass).
well, ATCL and any TCL exam are for people that cant play the right notes. ABRSM exams are for people that can.
Yes theoretically that's true, but the reality is many youngsters are already capable of playing to LRSM standard before they enter conservatory. I have serious doubt that anyone will ever be offered a place to study piano performance if he only passed his grade 8 exam during his last year at school (or more correctly speaking, played to grade 8 standard).I passed my grade 8 when I was 15 and would not have stood the slightest chance to be admitted to a conservatory. There was also a classmate who passed grade 8 at age 13 but did not go into music.
You may well be amazed to hear that I was admitted to study piano performance at a conservatory after playing the piano for only 18 months. I had sat no graded exams, but clearly the people on the panel could see past the wrong notes I hit, and appreciate that I have talent, and 3 years of their time invested in training me, will pay off. This should hopefully illustrate my point that it is musicality and stylistic awareness over right notes any day. Conservatory training is partly teaching you to always hit right notes. Also considering I played music for my audition far harder than most other candidates played who had been playing much longer, would have also been points in my favour. It is people like you that give students poor self esteem. BY stating people with grade 8 playing ability "would never be admitted" is a load of crap and does nothing but destroy confidence students have in their own playing. Please never become a teacher. You would be terrible at it.
So what age were you when you were admitted to conservatory? And I gather that you were admitted straight to conservatory and not the junior department? What kind of pieces were you playing after 18 months of learning? I would like to get these facts first before responding further.
The grades wouldn't be like some sort of standard of expectations which pieces are to be played is it? I mean if LRSM demands really high expectations of pieces played wouldn't a person only playing 6th grade pieces be also just as good in terms of quality of pieces if played well? I'm just saying IMHO grades are just about the difficulty of pieces not standards because any person from any grade can perform to an excellent standard, regardless of difficulty of pieces. Sorry if my post seems stupid but this is MO. JL
So, an examiner might expect no more musical insight from a pianist playing advanced Beethoven, than from a beginner playing a little minuet?
Yes. But that is not my point. My point is IMO it is not that standards of performance increase with every grade but the pieces itself.
I was 19. I played Chopin's Polonaise in A Op 40 #1, Bach's P & F 16 WTC book 1, Clementi's Sonata in D (forget the opus) and Rachmaninoff's Prelude in G minor Op 23 #5.I was admitted straight into the conservatory. Now after just over 2 years learning, im currently studying: Chopin's Allegro de Concert,Etude in C Op 10 #1, Brahms Piano Sonata #3, Liszt Grande Etude #3 and Beethoven Op 101.
That grade 8-dip abrsm is the same difficulty gap as grade 1-8 is definately not true.. My god, how can you even say that. If you have talent and practice hard, you can go from complete beginner who cannot read notes to grade 8 within 4 years. Then after that, you are technically prepared for dip abrsm maybe a year or two later. Though dipabrsm is alot harder from a musical point of view..
I took my DipABRSM when I was 13, two years ago. I played -1) Beethoven - Pathetique Sonata (all 3 movements)2) Chopin - Black Key Etude3) Ravel - Oiseau Triste (I've forgotten how to spell it)4) Gershwin - The lady I love, I got rhythmThen there is Quick Study (similar to sight reading, but you have a couple minutes to try it out first), Program Notes (you submit a booklet talking about the composers you are playing and analysis of the pieces) and Viva Voce (where they ask you questions about your performance and your Program Notes).I'm taking my LRSM in a week. I am playing -1) Mozart - Sonata in C minor K.457 (3 movements)2) Chopin - Etude op.10 no.3 and op.25 no.13) Debussy- Homage a Rameau4) Liszt - Mephisto Waltz no.1The rest is the same as the DipABRSM, though of course on a higher level of difficulty.
I suspect standards have really fallen a LOT! I passed Grade 8 with High Distinction in my mid-teens just less than 30 years ago. There are at least 12 pieces I can play easily from that list, including a couple from the FRSM list, LOL! I am SURE there's at least a couple from that ABRSM list which I played for my Grade 8 or even Grade 7 exams!
na its just to deter off ppl from thinking its a grade 9 or 10!but however, for people overseas it wont be as easy as taking in London too...
Topic: Dip ABRSM, LRSM 