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Offline pianistimo

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google privacy
on: July 22, 2006, 04:07:29 PM
just this morning i got this message 'it might be possible for others to view your messages.  do you want to continue?' 

usually that is a message i get from my own computer for viruses.  this morning it looked like it was attached to google's own site.  is this to cover themselves if the government looks at my messages? 

i was annoyed but said 'yes, i want to continue.'  will it ask me this each time 0R was that a one time message that will allow all of our messages to be monitored from this point on? 

i am somewhat annoyed at then at the same time - somewhat reassured.  i don't know what to think anymore.  views?

Offline thalbergmad

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Re: google privacy
Reply #1 on: July 22, 2006, 06:08:04 PM
You will probably get sectioned if the Government is looking at your messages.

Perhaps they think another "waco" is gonna happen.

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Re: google privacy
Reply #2 on: July 22, 2006, 08:34:05 PM
just this morning i got this message 'it might be possible for others to view your messages.  do you want to continue?' 

usually that is a message i get from my own computer for viruses.  this morning it looked like it was attached to google's own site.  is this to cover themselves if the government looks at my messages? 

i was annoyed but said 'yes, i want to continue.'  will it ask me this each time 0R was that a one time message that will allow all of our messages to be monitored from this point on? 

i am somewhat annoyed at then at the same time - somewhat reassured.  i don't know what to think anymore.  views?

What were you doing when you got that message? Are you certain you aren't confusing it with the Explorer dialog box? Anything you do on the web that isn't encrypted carries that warning, not just google. Your ISP knows exactly where you have been because everything you do on the web leaves an electronic trail back to you. You are kidding yourself if you think you use the web anonymously.

Offline Kassaa

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Re: google privacy
Reply #3 on: July 22, 2006, 09:03:35 PM
What were you doing when you got that message? Are you certain you aren't confusing it with the Explorer dialog box? Anything you do on the web that isn't encrypted carries that warning, not just google. Your ISP knows exactly where you have been because everything you do on the web leaves an electronic trail back to you. You are kidding yourself if you think you use the web anonymously.
https://www.safeurl.de/ , pretty handy for some things. And do ISP's have to give info to the government when the government asks for it? I'm not sure how that's here in the Netherlands.

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Re: google privacy
Reply #4 on: July 22, 2006, 09:15:06 PM
Only when you are a suspect and only to the police. Up to now ISPs have been careful to protect the privacy of their customers and thus protect themselves from losing them.
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Re: google privacy
Reply #5 on: July 23, 2006, 01:51:55 AM
thanks for the replies.  i'm not sure what i was doing at the time.  i believe i was trying to get into pianostreet and had to answer the question first to do that.  i thought it was google asking - but maybe not.  thanks for the stuff.

the most recent popular science - which my son gets and i read - i read about how the government uses the info.  usually it's checking connectedness or something.  as they explained it - how connected we are and with whom.  sometimes we have a random connection - but if it nets $10,000 wire transfer - then it might be an important connection.  so far, no one has wired me any money that i know of.  although i remember a wire from some foreign country saying that they needed a place to put their money (from south africa?) and wanted to know if i'd accept a large sum.  of course, i deleted and never hoped to hear from them again. 

can people be suspect even if someone writes them that they don't know.  especially, if they never respond?  isn't there some type of legal system that is looking after this more and more 'old west' type feel of the internet. 

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Re: google privacy
Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 07:29:02 AM
thanks for the replies.  i'm not sure what i was doing at the time.  i believe i was trying to get into pianostreet and had to answer the question first to do that.  i thought it was google asking - but maybe not.  thanks for the stuff.

the most recent popular science - which my son gets and i read - i read about how the government uses the info.  usually it's checking connectedness or something.  as they explained it - how connected we are and with whom.  sometimes we have a random connection - but if it nets $10,000 wire transfer - then it might be an important connection.  so far, no one has wired me any money that i know of.  although i remember a wire from some foreign country saying that they needed a place to put their money (from south africa?) and wanted to know if i'd accept a large sum.  of course, i deleted and never hoped to hear from them again. 

can people be suspect even if someone writes them that they don't know.  especially, if they never respond?  isn't there some type of legal system that is looking after this more and more 'old west' type feel of the internet. 

As far as I am aware, in Western democracies there are certain procedures law enforcement agencies must follow if they want to obtain evidence against you from the Internet. In the same way police can't just storm into your house and search it just because they think you are committing a crime.

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Re: google privacy
Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 07:49:14 AM
As far as I am aware, in Western democracies there are certain procedures law enforcement agencies must follow if they want to obtain evidence against you from the Internet. In the same way police can't just storm into your house and search it just because they think you are committing a crime.

In the US I'm pretty sure that phone records and internet records are not protected.  The law would need a warrant to tap your phone, but they just need the cooperation of the phone company to see who you called without a warrant. 
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Re: google privacy
Reply #8 on: July 23, 2006, 10:31:22 AM
In the US I'm pretty sure that phone records and internet records are not protected.  The law would need a warrant to tap your phone, but they just need the cooperation of the phone company to see who you called without a warrant. 

This is an interesting site:

https://www.aclu.org/privacy/anon/index.html

https://www.aclu.org/privacy/internet/24530prs20060314.html
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