Haw to wipeout America.

[zheer]

 You disgust me. ..... But I dont have a ego, its the truth.

   Good, obviously one should not stereotype.

[zheer]

  Shall i be honest, i can express haw i feel about American policy simply because i live in the UK , hence no threat of getting shot. Though Blair may kick the likes of me out of his Britten.

[prometheus]

why no american troops disarming hezbollah? according to you and many others america is always in everyone's business and "terrorizes everyone with military might"

It would be a total provocation. Plus I don't think the US would be willing since they already have trouble enough in Iraq and they are having NATO clean up for them in Afghanistan.

Israel is viewed as a head of the snake, or hydra, that is the US. So a neutral army is needed. Not one that is totally biased against Lebanon. Lebanon has already been destroyed by US bombs. They don't want to get occupied by US troops, removing the only thing that was trying to protect them against the US bombs, by disarming Hezbollah.

US troops would get as much resistance as Israeli troops. But there is also a problem with NATO because NATO is dominated by the US. NATO was meant to fight the USSR. But now it is gone people are unwilling to disassemble it.

Also, I don't think any force send by the UN to the region will have the mandate to shoot down Israeli troops. If they do have the right to kill Hezbollah then they are biased. So I am really anxious to see what they come up with. Will a NATO force that is just finishing what Israel started be implied and will they actually succeed?

[johnny-boy]

One can google any facts to suit their agenda.

My opinion is based on living proof. I live a short distance from NYC - one of the greatest cities ever achieved. I suppose that's why "The Age of Envy" gang decided to attack it. Jealous SOB's.

I can go where I want, say what I want, and live my dreams to the best of my ability without fear of persecution. I’m sure there are other small countries that can boast this – but they don’t have access to the marvels of America. A person can find anything one so desires in this wonderful “Melting Pot” - and achieve anything with hard work and determination.


John

[thalbergmad]

why no american troops disarming hezbollah? according to you and many others america is always in everyone's business and "terrorizes everyone with military might"

No American troops, just American Weapons.

[pianistimo]

many say this is not a religious war - but in a sense - for christians, it is about end times.  we know that there will be 'wars and rumors of wars...see that you be not afraid'  then - turns to earthquakes and famines (as many said - they are and have occurred).  the only thing we are waiting for now is persecution.  the kind that happened to the jews.  the only this time it will be against the whole of christianity.  how else does satan operate?  he doesn't want Christ to return and rule the earth - he's had too much fun ruining it.  this is my understanding of matt. 24.  even our own families are said to betray us.  probably family that doesn't believe in Christ or God.  but, at what cost?  whether we live or die doesn't matter because we are with God ultimately - but for those that are left - they will be forced to worship the beast (world power) at a later close date.  won't that be strange.  they will suddenly realize that they've been deceived into worshipping a false system that is both political AND becomes religious at a later point. 

the bible states that there will be a certain number of days - which adds up to about 3 1/2 years of tribulation (oppression of the saints - or people of God  - from all walks of life and probably churches).  they are also mentioned as having divine protection in some places (one taken, the other left).  i don't think it will be  a rapture in the sense of ressurrection quite yet - but there is a place that God will allow them to flee and have divine protection i believe.  why else would God tell those that live in /near jerusalem to flee to the mountains when jerusalem is surrounded by armies?  they are told to flee and not go back and get anything!

it will be a desperate time for those that don't put their trust in God.  elijah was fed daily by a raven or something - for a long period of time.  God always makes a way for the righteous.  but, he allows the unrighteous to basically turn on themselves - which is said to happen with the armies that come to fight against jerusalem.  i take all my hope from the bible because what is says is coming true right now in front of our eyes on tv.

[prometheus]

many say this is not a religious war - but in a sense - for christians...

Christians get bombed by christians...

[pianistimo]

'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...' 

war is evil.  i think it's the worst side of humanity aside from singular crimes by singular criminals.  there's no rhyme or reason to it.  innocent people die.  people not so innocent die.  some people live to kill again.  in the end - it's as zheer said - 100 years from now (if there is such a thing this time) noone understands - even if the motives are textbookish.

[prometheus]

I have not sinned.

[BoliverAllmon]

I have not sinned.

lying counts. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! (ok that is a terrible and old church joke, it reminds me of those terrible music jokes like this one.......Did you know that Beethoven was a drunk? Yeah he sure could finisih a fifth!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!)

boliver

[steve jones]

     I have a dream, or a vision if you like , of a world free from the terror and force and threat that America has forced on us. A world that is not dominated by America and its concept of one race one religion one super power, but a new and transformed and re-built America . An America that is more open to new possibility , this possibility realized through the removal of the white House. Does anyone have the same vision on this forum?

I must admit, this hating America lark is getting a little old.

While I would suggest that the sun shines out of old G W's arse, Im not sure his nation deserves the constant grief its received in recent years.

If you want hate anyone, try those selfish bastards in France! At least the Americans put their money where their mouth is. The French would see us all burn why they sat back and critisised.

Im dont know whats going on in the world today. But Im pretty sure there would be poverty, desperation and hate without the Americans. And that will inevitably lead to conflict.

Question is, if we dont have G W to protect us, who will?

I think I would rather G W be in charge than some Iranian nutter case. Surely he is the lesser of two evils?

But I understand that this view point is not very PC, so please, shoot me down in air raid full of 'isms' 

SJ

PS. Actually, Im not sure I believe what I just wrote, but I feel it really does need to be said. I cant help but feel that the Western world is like a bunch of spoilt kids, cussing their father in some feeble adolescent rage!

[thalbergmad]

it will be a desperate time for those that don't put their trust in God. 

So it won't be for those who do??

[pianistimo]

somewhere in the bible it says something about being willing to give up your life for God.  and, when you do - you don't really care if you die for Him or not because both ways you still live.  but, i also read something about once you are willing to die - He protects.  it was that way with many christians in the ot who were tested by God (including Abraham and his son).  to give up our agendas for God's.

about war.  was just reading the story of Jehu - I Kings 10 - and realized that we fight in armies for many reasons (including ones that God has charged) - and then can turn and be as evil or worse than the preceding government.  Jehu fought and killed all of the baal worshippers at the time in israel.  israel was told by God to only have one God.  so Jehu tricked both sides.  he said he was having a great sacrifice to baal and anyone who didn't come and offer something would die (knowing that for followers of God - this would be a moot point).  so, a bunch of baal worshppers came.  then he told them, make sure that you point out if your neighbor is a worshipper of Jehovah or baal (ensuring later the safety of the Jehovah worshippers).  then, he stations guards at the entrance of the place of sacrifice and kills all the baal worshippers.  unfortunately, later in life Jehu himself succumbs to idol worship or allows the golden calves in one area of his kingdom to remain.  He doesn't follow God in the end - so his kingdom really only lasts as long as he lives. 

according to the bible, no government on this earth is going to last long anyways.  they are not eternal governments.  they are temporary.  if we side with an eternal God with an eternal kingdom (forever and ever, as handel's 'messiah') it's sort of eliminating the need to worry excessively about which sides win.  if we serve God we win either way.  not saying that i wouldn't attempt to defend america in some way that is not actually killing --but just say that america does not epitomize a perfect government.  but, we do share a love for God's word which means that as long as President Bush relies on God for decisions and for military wisdom -  he'll get it.  even his mistakes may end up being blessed in the end - if they are mistakes - because God can turn anything around for those that bless Him.  not saying that war is a good way to resolve things --but he has a point about bringing the war to terrorists and not the other way around.

i think our people should pray.  abu graibe and places like that should never have existed imo.  but,then, i am not in government and do not understand what one should do with a suspected terrorist.  obviously if we let them go back and do it again and again - that's not protecting our interests.  but, i do not believe in holding people without charge either.  they have to show complicity in some proveable way.  i think for the government - it's just being in a war situation on the wrong side (with a weapon in hand).  agreed that this seems unfair to young 1718year olds - who probably were just doing what everyone else was - defending their territory.  i think we should also have compassion and show them what the usa is about.  that would change their minds - or at least make them see another point of view without terrorizing them back.  tit-for-tat is not really effective.  it's like abusive childhoods where the parents are as out of control as the children.  we have to show the world that there is a way to peace.  diplomacy.  working it out.  hope it's not too late.

[thalbergmad]

we do share a love for God's word which means that as long as President Bush relies on God for decisions and for military wisdom -  he'll get it.  even his mistakes may end up being blessed in the end - if they are mistakes - because God can turn anything around for those that bless Him.  

That is easily the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

Bush relies on God for military wisdom.

This is the end of the world.

[pianistimo]

everyone makes mistakes.  president bush probably has made some huge military blunders.  but, i think that when we realize that we are powerless to turn the tide of a war and really pray (as i believe he does) for God to help us make wise decisions - then we listen to the communities around us and around the world and try to work together diplomatically.  i think that's what condolezza rice is really trying to do.  people say - well, she's letting the palestinians be bombed.  they are lobbing things right and left continually into israel.

remember in 1980's how the us barracks were bombed in lebanon.  did anyone care when many gi's were brought out it cots seriously burned?  noone remembers that we have gone in many times to try to keep the peace (without FIRING A SHOT).  we were terrorized for it.  finally the gi's shot back a little (aside from the three factions that were at war for so many years and were the ones that destroyed beiruit the first time - not us).  i watched a video clip of some of the soldiers and they were saying that reagan should let them at least defend themselves.  what was happening was that any one of the three factions could shoot at them - but they had to ask military commanders and get an ok to fire anything back.  they were sitting ducks.  i'm no military person - but why get in a war if you are supposed to be a sitting duck?  peacekeeping missions seemingly failed there - but not to say that they couldn't work if they had a workable government (which they've never had on their own).  or when they finally had a diplomatic president - they shot him.

[ada]

as long as President Bush relies on God for decisions and for military wisdom - he'll get it. even his mistakes may end up being blessed in the end

                                                                    

Edit: Should the leader of the most powerful nation on earth really make military decisions based on what 'god' tells him?

Am I right in understanding this is what you're suggesting?

Shouldn't an understanding of history,  diplomacy, military theory and international politics be  more important when making decisions about war? Not to mention a brain?

Is this really how you want your leaders to be?

[pianistimo]

dare i ask this question...would you rather see washington dc bombed?  i think that for americans - (and we know planes were headed that direction) we'd rather not see that. 

[prometheus]

But if god tells Bush to bomb DC, that would be good right? Eventhough the americans wouldn't like to see it.

[pianolearner]

Johnny, your post is also a bit laughable since the US supports the supressing of freedom in other countries.

Also, I live in a country with a political system that is more democratic than that in the US. The press here also has less self-censorship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indices_of_freedom

US doesn't score 'good situation' but 'satisfactory situation'. My country does score 'good situation'. As does norway. But their economic freedom is 'mostly free' instead of 'free' that the US and Netherlands do have.

Some people have a short (or selective) memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Second_world_war_europe_1941-1942_map_en.png

Would your country and Norway be in such a 'good situation' if America hadn't helped?

[prometheus]

First off, my argument was a case against envy. So WWII has nothing to do with it.

Second, didn't I get into the WII, Truman doctrine, Marshall plan and then the Cold War already? Read the whole topic.

Furtermore, it has nothing to do with my memory since I did not live during WWII.

USSR defeated Hitler. Allies freed west-Europe. Then the US build up west-Europe because of imperialism, to fight the USSR. Europe would be the nuclear battle field. If the cold war ever got hot, we would be the first pawn sacrificed. Most of the nukes would have fallen on Europe, those of both sides. And if it didn't come that far we would see massive tank wars, possible chemical or biological agents, massive artillary, many many soldiers. Not pretty. Furtermore, JFK risked a nuclear war. Thanks to his brother secretly removing missiles in Turkey and USSR backing off the Europe pawn didn't have to be sacrificed.

It accidentally turned out good for Europe. But do we thank the american government for that? No. We do thank the soldiers and the tax payers. But if you look at the troop numbers and casualty numbers of US soldiers in Europe, the number isn't that great. US had to fight Japan. Their major support was through their war industry. Another major effort was destroying every German city. UK at night, US during the day. These are all war crimes. Whole cities had been fire bombed. These attacks were worse than atomic bombs. Look at what happened with Dresden and Tokyo. I don't really want to thank them for that, even if it shortened the war.

Also, the US owns its existence to countries like Netherlands, France, etc helping them against the British. Yes,  they did this for their own gain. But that is how things work. I still remember footage of americans pouring French wine into the sewers because France wouldn't allow the insane invasion of Iraq. Poor deluded individuals. But I still eat Ben's & Jerry's ice every now and then. I have no problem with that.


Actually, since my country is one of the most loyal US allies the WWII argument is made quite often. But it is a total fallacy. You just don't support someone unconditionally because of something that happened in the past.

[zheer]

. I still remember footage of americans pouring French wine into the sewers because France wouldn't allow the insane invasion of Iraq.

   Shock horror.

[pianistimo]

what i think is shock horror is that the russians and french betrayed us by selling them weapons.  this is hardly a bottle of wine.

[BoliverAllmon]

what i think is shock horror is that the russians and french betrayed us by selling them weapons.  this is hardly a bottle of wine.

The US sold weapons to and trained the Afghan army.

boliver

[prometheus]

They should have teared down the statue of liberty instead.


Betrayed? The US was selling weapons and buying oil from them as well. US sold them WMDs even after Hussain used WMDs against the Iranians and agaisnt kurds in Halabja. Kurdish genocide with US support by Iraq ammounts for 200,000 to 300,000 deaths. Furtermore, the US was not at war with Iraq. Also, Germany and China was selling weapons to Iraq. Then twenty years later they remove Hussain becase of the crimes he commited with their support? Uuh?

The US betrayed their allies by providing evidence they knew was false.

The US is selling weapons to everyone and their mother/dog/whatever. Ethnic cleansing in east Turkey, 30,000 to 40,000 killed, 2000 villages destroyed. This continued untill 1995. Weapons to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, weapons to Indonesia with the sole purpose of committing genocide in east Timor 200,000 to 300,000 death. Suharto even asked permission to Kissinger and Ford. He got it. And then the US provided the arms as well.

As for Israel. The Lebanese war killed about 150,000. Thanks to US weapon sales to Israel.

[pianolearner]

Actually, since my country is one of the most loyal US allies the WWII argument is made quite often. But it is a total fallacy. You just don't support someone unconditionally because of something that happened in the past.

You're right.  I haven't read this entire pointless thread because my sentiments are summed up by dialogue from the 1975 Sidney Pollack film, Three Days of the Condor:


Higgins: ...It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In 10 or 15 years - food, Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?

Turner: Ask them.

Higgins: Not now - then. Ask them when they're running out. Ask them when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask them when their engines stop. Ask them when people who've never known hunger start going hungry. Do you want to know something? They won't want us to ask them. They'll just want us to get it for them.

[pianistimo]

it's back to the age old question - who do you want to be a superpower?  it's not really a surprise that places in the east are growing at an alarming rate industrially, and also that europe is contending more as a superpower because of the combination of nations. 

now, if we combined all our resources (north and south america) - we might be better off, too.  but, the sad fact is that all over the world there have been sales of weapons by many countries.  now, we have terrorists in south america that have been there a long time and first used the drug cartel and now other means to try to destroy america.  they try to be sneaky. but, you have people that don't want to see america blessed.  perhaps with all our blessings have come greed and forgetting God.  so, we will reap what we sow.

i think america is being destroyed already by revisionist history, bad health (gluttony), sexual promiscuity, drugs, and whatever wars that we can be pulled into by terror.

[prometheus]

Higgins: ...It's simple economics.

No one understands economics. No one knows why the US invaded Iraq. We can only believe things lik oil and getting a power base in the middle east have something to do with it. I mean, do you believe it is about revenge and about god telling him to attack Iraq? The New American Century made a case about attacking Iraq long before Bush jr. became president. Then when Bush jr. became president some of the major NAC guys got important places in his administration. And then they attack Iraq. One can only assume the arguments given by NAC years before have something to do with it.

Isn't it kind of strange that the american people don't even demand their president to tell them why Iraq was invaded?

[pianistimo]

many do and still are.  the thing is - we cannot hope for world peace with terrorists that have nuclear weapons.  my personal belief is that saddam WAS creating weapons of mass destruction and simply moved the parts into syria and possibly iran (though they must have hated to).  why would they want to get caught.

it is a known fact that the kurds were part of his first experiments with chemical warfare.  do you realize the civilized nations are not even wanting to mess with chemical warfare?  i believe in my heart it is because they know how quickly it could spread and how much everyone would be affected (on both sides).  not to mention the food supply.  the iraqi government was based on insanity and recklessness.

if the only thing we are remembered for that was good - it would be to bring down saddam and keep him from rebuilding for 10-15 years.  i wouldn't doubt he survives execution somehow.  that guy is truly evil.

[mephisto]

many do and still are.  the thing is - we cannot hope for world peace with terrorists that have nuclear weapons.

Do you know any terrorists who have nuclear weapons?

[prometheus]

Israel. Pakistan. US. China. India. N-Korea. Russia. France.


Actually, I don't remember any UK violence that can be described as terrorism. But they did something worse. They invaded another country without any provocation or justification.

[counterpoint]

Isn't it kind of strange that the american people don't even demand their president to tell them why Iraq was invaded?

Yes, it is!

[prometheus]

I have to admit it is even worse in my country.

My government also supported the US war, but only political, not militarily since the opposition was so large.


After the war there have been investigation about how the WMD arguments could have been wrong, of course a total farce. But it happened nonetheless. In the UK and in the US.


My prime minister had a talk with Blair. The story goes that Blair presented my prime minister with evidence, evidence he was not allowed to share with anyone, not even his own foreign minister. But this info leaked out accidentally by good journalism. At this point there has been no majority that asked any questions about the evidence the dutch government had to support the US&UK. We don't know what our own intelligence agency knew. What Blair told our prime minister, etc. So the WMD argument still stands here, probably the only democratic country in the world where this is the case.

Of course opposition and journalists have attacked this. But the parlaiment members of the ruling parties block up any attempts to question this.

But it will happen eventually, when the political stakes are lowered.

[johnny-boy]

Isn't it kind of strange that the american people don't even demand their president to tell them why Iraq was invaded?- prometheus

He has told us many times. He’s still fine tuning his reasons. I’m sure when he comes up with something better he’ll let us know. 

John

[counterpoint]

He has told us many times. He’s still fine tuning his reasons. I’m sure when he comes up with something better he’ll let us know. 

We don't talk about excuses, we talk about the real reasons 

[prometheus]

Well, the reasons for war are never given. I do mean the excuse since all past excuses have been refuted.

There is no longer an excuse standing. So they should at least try to get Bush to come up with a new one.


Also, politicians sometimes have a slip of the tongue and tell the truth. The administration in my country fell not so long ago because of such a slip of the tongue. Albright did have a slip of the tongue like this once. They happen and they are interesting. Politicians don't tell the truth that often.

Politicians are like pigs. They need to be hit on the nose with a stick. (not to imply that pigs need to get hit with sticks as well)

[johnny-boy]

We don't talk about excuses, we talk about the real reasons 

The “reason” was simply revenge. I truly believe that was the motivating factor in Bush’s decision to attack Iraq. Saddam’s attempted assassination on his father weighed heavily on Bush – and he had the power to get even.

WMD’s was the “excuse”. Oil was the icing on the cake. Liberating the people of Iraq was bullshit. People from all over the Globe need liberating why choose Iraq?

There you have it. It was a simple act of revenge.

John

[prometheus]

His advisors would never allowed that to happen. I mean, the advisors are actually more important. I am sure Cheney is in charge when it comes to foreign policy. Rumsleft, Bolton, Perle and Wolfowitz wanted to attack Iraq. Thay also signed the New American Century letter calling for an invasion of Iraq five years before.

[johnny-boy]

His advisors would never allowed that to happen. I mean, the advisors are actually more important. I am sure Cheney is in charge when it comes to foreign policy. Rumsleft, Bolton, Perle and Wolfowitz wanted to attack Iraq. Thay also signed the New American Century letter calling for an invasion of Iraq five years before.

Right

[prometheus]

What? After everything I said you want to dispute this? All I said there is either fact or can be called public opinion.

[johnny-boy]

Bush and his clan are a bunch of good ol' boys. You don't understand the bond among them.

I still say the bottom line was revenge.

John

[musik_man]

Can we please stop this BS about oil?  If Bush wanted Iraq's oil, he would've simply let the sanctions drop.

[prometheus]

The relation between Bush and his advisors is irrelevant. It would never be possible for Bush to have invaded Iraq just because of his personal grudge against Hussain. I mean, this is nuts. Why would Cheney have allowed Bush to do this? Why wouldn't the Pentagon have opposed this? Why wouldn't Rumselft, Wolfowitz and all the others have just quit they jobs?

Furtermore, we all know that Rumselft, Perle, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Rodman and others send a letter to Clinton in 1998, calling for an invasion of Iraq: https://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


Music_Man, sadly for you no one is talking about oil.

[zheer]

I still say the bottom line was revenge.

John

   Hmmmmmmm, as far as we know Iraq has never been a-threat to america, infact as the story goes it has been a love hate relation. Yes Saddam is behind bars, but at what price.

[musik_man]

Music_Man, sadly for you no one is talking about oil.

Well, no one except for jonny-boy a couple posts up.

[arensky]

Im dont know whats going on in the world today. But Im pretty sure there would be poverty, desperation and hate without the Americans. And that will inevitably lead to conflict.

Those things have always existed, and always will. At least until we evolve beyond them, 5,000 years minimum, imo. Hey we have them right here in the USA!

Question is, if we dont have G W to protect us, who will?

You could protect yourselves. Americans are getting tired of being the world police. We have economic problems that threaten to get worse, a crumbling infastructure, and social issues to work out. Everyone else's problems are getting in the way. Every USA soldier that dies rams this point home, at least to me. There are better things to fight for than petroleum. Who protected you before us?

But I understand that this view point is not very PC, so please, shoot me down in air raid full of 'isms' 

PC blows. The Orwellian newspeak.

PS. Actually, Im not sure I believe what I just wrote, but I feel it really does need to be said. I cant help but feel that the Western world is like a bunch of spoilt kids, cussing their father in some feeble adolescent rage!

The USA is not the father. It is the heir. And many of us here would like to be disinherited.

Well at this forum, feeble adolescent rage seems to be the rage! 

[pianistimo]

burning american flags and saying inflammatory things don't exactly place them in a non-terrorist camp.  president bush wanted to keep things low profile - but created high profile because i don't think he understood the politics of the middle east.  i think he truly thought he could help democratize the area and thus achieve some stabilization for the people of iraq and the middle east.  but, the terrorists wouldn't let them achieve the plans for water/sewer/rebuilding infrastructure - and kept blowing up the good.  so now0 they complain that we destroyed everything - when the fact is that they are blowing uptheir own country in defiance of the usa. 

there were many engineers and people who went over to help who were kidnapped and beheaded.  how stupid is that.  to keep your country from help.  the terrorists have been there - we know it.  they come in - do their dirty work - and leave.  of course, there are no weapons (they hid them in syria) and there are no terrorists (at least we can't see them).

i pray that someday President Bush's work will be realized as truly meaning to be humanitarian (and because of terrorists it didn't appear that way).  i hope that they go right through lebanon to syria and find out what syria, turkey and iran have up their sleeves.  why do you think iran is going 'nanananana'  - they have been given a load of ammunition and are ready to use it at americans and israel.  we'll soon find out who the 'good guys' are.

that was a heated moment.  now that i've cooled off - i think diplomacy is better.  a few more seconds of normal life before the world goes berzerk.

[johnny-boy]

Well, no one except for jonny-boy a couple posts up.

Musik_man, It was only secondary in the context of my statement. Hardly worth highlighting.

Prometheus, I'm sure Bush didn't present his case by stating I want to get even for Saddam for the plot to assassinate my father. I'm saying this was Bush's motivation hidden under the guise of WMD's. 

Best, John

[prometheus]

Do you really think Bush came up with the idea to invade Iraq?


It may have played a role in his personal descision to carry out the ideas of those NAC guys when they presented their four or five year old idea to them. But surely the idea already existed before Bush ever decided to run for president. Do you really think Bush had any idea at all about foreign policy before he became president?

[musik_man]

Musik_man, It was only secondary in the context of my statement. Hardly worth highlighting.

Yeah, you'll have to forgive me.  It's just a little pet peeve of mine.

Prometheus, obviously Bush didn't think up the idea.  Regime change has been the official US stance since 1998.

[prometheus]

Under which conditions exactly?

As far as I know US has granted itself the right to change a regime anyway they feel fit. Not sure if this was official policy but the US changed a dozen of regimes in middle and south america before 1998.