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Offline liszmaninopin

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Can anyone identify this piece?
on: January 04, 2004, 06:58:17 PM
I remember quite a few years ago I was at a piano recital, listening to the various performers.  One student played a piece that was very beautiful.  All I remember was that is was by Ravel and that before he performed it, the host of the recital read aloud some poetry, and said something about this piece relating to a mermaid.  I know this  may sound weird, but if anybody can suggest what piece that might be, I would appreciate it greatly.  Unfortunately, I probably would not recognize it if I heard it, I just remember liking it alot.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #1 on: January 04, 2004, 07:18:14 PM
Ondine from Gaspard de la Nuit,
Ed

(P.s. In my opinion this piece contains the best bar of music ever written.)

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #2 on: January 04, 2004, 07:35:29 PM
Thanks.  Is that just a guess, or are you pretty sure?
Is that bar of music you refer to the fortissimo one that is labelled un peu plus lent, it's page 9 in the edition I have.  That is my favorite bar in the piece.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #3 on: January 04, 2004, 07:46:42 PM
I am positive that is the piece that you are referring to. I don't have my score with me at the moment but I think it is the second to last page - it's basically the loud bit!
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #4 on: January 04, 2004, 08:30:48 PM
Ondine is a lovely piece, my favourite of the Gaspard.  I think I know what you mean by the loud part, it is very passionate, built up by all that comes before it.  Quite heady praise for you to call it the best bar of music ever written.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #5 on: January 04, 2004, 08:32:10 PM
Ed, what is in your opinion the best recording of the Gaspard?

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 08:33:41 PM
Martha Argerich of course!
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 08:37:02 PM
I almost knew you would say that. ;)

Really, to me, the piece seems more evocative of a pleasant breeze than a mermaid to me.  Today, we have very springlike weather where I live.  I opened the window and started practicing the first page of Ondine.  The cool breeze and fluttering blinds seemed to really accentuate the mood of the piece.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #8 on: January 04, 2004, 08:59:28 PM
What a lovely story. It is really more about a water nymph than a mermaid - there is a translation of the poem somewhere on the internet. It is by Aloysius Bertrand and obviously called Ondine,
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #9 on: January 04, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
Have you actually played the whole piece?  The first page didn't seem hard at all once I got the hand of the right hand movement, and that didn't take more than a couple minutes.  Actually, when I scan ahead, it looks like while the piece moves very fast, in general the notes look like they're under the hand and wouldn't be that hard to do.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #10 on: January 04, 2004, 09:34:13 PM
I have only played Scarbo in concert, but I have played through Ondine and Le Gibet,
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #11 on: January 08, 2004, 04:05:19 AM
Did it have a glissando in the middle, if it did I think I may know the piece your referring to its Jeux'Deu

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #12 on: January 08, 2004, 04:48:15 PM
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Did it have a glissando in the middle, if it did I think I may know the piece your referring to its Jeux'Deu


No it's not. It is Ondine from Gaspard de la Nuit,
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #13 on: January 08, 2004, 06:01:22 PM
yes exactly
jeux d eau is more about  "river God laughing when being tickled by the water "
It is ondine infact, taht u are referring to, and I  havent heard any one playing it better than argerich,  i also heard michelangelli s recording though, and it seemed really good too, except for a wrong note.
but only argerich could create that build up perfectly to the climax. i mean PERFECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #14 on: January 08, 2004, 06:05:28 PM
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perfectly to the climax. i mean PERFECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Exactly! And I have heard a lot of recordings,
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #15 on: January 08, 2004, 06:10:49 PM
yup i have heard others too,
gieseking, entremont and i think ashkenazy,  and samson francois.
i found francois' recording good too, it was really different from the others, he uses much less  of the pedal it seems.

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Reply #16 on: January 08, 2004, 06:20:26 PM
The only recording I would recommend other than Argerich is Ivo Pogorelich,
Ed

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #17 on: January 10, 2004, 02:50:35 AM
Ed, did Argerich do anything you didn't like?  Just be careful not to become to enamored with one pianist.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #18 on: January 10, 2004, 04:19:13 AM
I heard Agerich play it before too and she does get that build up perfectly, I also heard Richter play it and he got tremendous speed with it but didn't get that kind of build up Agerich got before the glissando.

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Re: Can anyone identify this piece?
Reply #19 on: January 10, 2004, 04:35:08 PM
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Ed, did Argerich do anything you didn't like?  Just be careful not to become to enamored with one pianist.


To be honest, no she has not done anything I didn't like. However, I do listen to other pianists (Argerich doesn't play everything!),
Ed
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