Pointless post about my teacher

[verywellmister]

One day I decided to trace my teacher's teacher's teacher's...etc. and see what it came up with.

This is my finding.

My teacher studied with Leon Fleisher at the Peabody Conservatory, who studied with Artur Schnabel who studied from Theodor Theodor Leschetizky who studied with Czerny, who we all know studied with Beethoven.  I had know idea.

not sure if this is the right place to post this

can you trace your teacher's teacher's teacher's

[gonzalo]

One day I decided to trace my teacher's teacher's teacher's...etc. and see what it came up with.

This is my finding.

My teacher studied with Leon Fleisher at the Peabody Conservatory, who studied with Artur Schnabel who studied from Theodor Theodor Leschetizky who studied with Czerny, who we all know studied with Beethoven.  I had know idea.

not sure if this is the right place to post this

can you trace your teacher's teacher's teacher's

Bernhard said once:

"What about Czerny himself? Didn’t he figure it all out by trial and error? Guess what? He took lessons form his father! Wenzel Czerny was a pianist, organist, oboist and singer. Czerny described his childhood as being "under my parents' constant supervision," and he goes on to say that he was "carefully isolated from other children." Does that sound to you like trial and error? After learning the basics from his father, Czerny went on to become a student of Wenzel Krumpholz, who was such a good teacher that Czerny was concertising at age 10, playing everything by Mozart and Clementi. It was Krumpholz who introduced Czerny to Beethoven – on the occasion the 10 year old Czerny played the1st movement of Mozart’s piano concerto K 503 and Beethoven’s own Pathetique sonata. Czerny then started being instructed by Beethoven. Trial and error? Hardly. Beethoven started with scales and technique followed by an intensive study of  C.P.E. Bach’s “Essay in the true art of playing keyboard instruments”. Throughout Beethoven insisted on legato technique (one of his pet subjects). The lessons did not last long. Beethoven was more interested in composition. But does anyone care about this? Not really. Everyone says: my lineage goes back to Beethoven, since the teacher of the teacher of my teacher was taught by Czerny. What a crock of potatoes! Brendel is not the heir of Beethoven, he is the heir of Krumpholtz! But I guess this is not glamorous enough."


Your comment called my attention and I remembered about this thread:

https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3673.msg32874.html#msg32874
(No good teachers only good students)

Take care,
Gonzalo

[gonzalo]

And he also said:

"I love when people like Alfred Brendel say on interviews “ I studied with Edwin Fischer, who studied with Martin Krause, who studied with Liszt , who studied with Czerny, who studied with Beethoven”. No, you did not. Your lineage does not go back to Beethoven, it goes back to Krumpholtz and Christian Neefe, you name dropper!"

Take care,
Gonzalo

[pianistimo]

what if someone traced it back to palestrina?

[nicco]

Mine goes back to Adam. (who studied with Eve)

[verywellmister]

Mine goes back to Adam. (who studied with Eve)

So does mine.

[Bob]

Wouldn't it be like parents?  More numbers exponentially increasing as you go up each level.  Does anyone only study with just one teacher over their life?

[quasimodo]

what if someone traced it back to palestrina?

As long as it's not Palestina, you'll be okay...

[pianistimo]

haha i like the adam and eve part.  yet, bob is right, too.  noone just has one teacher, usually.  so, you have lineages going in all directions until you get back to adam and eve.

or 'tubal-cain' or somebody like that who made instruments. 

[dough_mouse]

Hey verywellmister,

My teacher studied with Leon Fleisher too!

Who is your teacher?

[mike_lang]

My teacher, too - he was in the first studio of Fleisher.