Bartok Piano Sonata Sz 80

[steve_m]

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[ganymed]

can you be more concrete on your request which sonata is it exactly

opus number etc?

[steve_m]

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[jre58591]

here it is. sorry about the quality.

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[lisztrachmaninovfan]

He didn't attach opus numbers to all his pieces.  I already told you that it's Sz 80. The BB number is 88. 

But Bartok only wrote one piano sonata, anyway.

No, he wrote more than one. Some of his earlier ones have been lost though, and one has been recorded.

[john11inc]

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All of Bartok's works that he wrote prior to the beginning of WWII are public domain, at this point, due to a dispute he had with his publisher in the 30's and Hungary's copyright laws that allowed it to enter public domain prior to the EU forming.

Either way, this score is quite easy to find with a bit of googling, and I'm not going to upload it if the admins are going to complain about it.

However, it's all a non-point.  In the huge majority of cases, any sort of score-sharing is illegal, because the publisher owns the right to their edition of the publication.  Whether the piece is in public domain does not matter.  If anyone cared, any of the sites like the IMSLP could be shut down and sued.  The whole worry over whether the piece is in public domain is malapropos to the legality of sharing the score.

[richard black]

In the huge majority of cases, any sort of score-sharing is illegal, because the publisher owns the right to their edition of the publication.

Only if it's still in copyright! For instance, I could quite legitimately scan and share to my heart's content my Peters Edition of the Beethoven violin sonatas, because the copy (the actual physical copy I have) dates from 1895 and is blatantly out of copyright and Peters has no claim on it whatsoever. However, if I took a new edition of the same music that would almost certainly be in copyright and sharing it would indeed be illegal.

[stevebob]

The IMSLP/Petrucci Library was the topic of a recent New York Times article, in which issues of legal challenges and copyright laws were examined:

"Free Trove of Music Scores on Web Hits Sensitive Copyright Note"

[john11inc]

The IMSLP/Petrucci Library was the topic of a recent New York Times article, in which issues of legal challenges and copyright laws were examined:

"Free Trove of Music Scores on Web Hits Sensitive Copyright Note"

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=41029.msg455263#new

[ahinton]

Only if it's still in copyright! For instance, I could quite legitimately scan and share to my heart's content my Peters Edition of the Beethoven violin sonatas, because the copy (the actual physical copy I have) dates from 1895 and is blatantly out of copyright and Peters has no claim on it whatsoever. However, if I took a new edition of the same music that would almost certainly be in copyright and sharing it would indeed be illegal.

That's right. The problem that some people appear to have with this is that, even if they understand, appreciate and accept the various copyright terms for the composers, they can tend to ignore those for publishers; when a publisher publishes a new edition of a work by a long-deceased composer, the edition is in copyright from the outset even though the music itself is in the public domain and when, for example, such new editions contain corrections and supporting research notes, the publisher will have had to pay for them so has a reasonable right to reflect such costs in the selling price of the item. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the problem today is that some people simply expect to get their sheet music (or scores in downloadable/printable form) for free, regardless of all the various costs involved in making it available in the first place; to such people, everyone has to eat except composers, apparently...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

As I've mentioned elsewhere, the problem today is that some people simply expect to get their sheet music (or scores in downloadable/printable form) for free

Indeed they do, judging by some of the more absurd requests here.

Thal

[iumonito]

I think Copyright depends on the laws of where you are located.

I am not a lawyer in Canada, so take your own advice.  That said, if you are there, you seem to be OK.

https://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata,_Sz.80_(Bartók,_Béla)

P.S.  A mere reprint generates no copyright, as far as I know, and scholarly editions, in some places, may very well be in the public domain or akin to it, even if the same editions would be (and indeed are) protected in the UK, USA, and other places.

I don't think one can make very useful generalizations on this topic.