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Topic: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12  (Read 2401 times)

Offline dnephi

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Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
on: August 17, 2006, 03:02:26 PM
I heard Horowitz play that piece. It's tremendous in its passion and fury.  Is it really very difficult?  Is it difficult to play it with that emotion?  You need to hear it.  It's amazing to me.
For us musicians, the music of Beethoven is the pillar of fire and cloud of mist which guided the Israelites through the desert.  (Roughly quoted, Franz Liszt.)
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Offline sissco

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
I heard Horowitz play that piece. It's tremendous in its passion and fury.  Is it really very difficult?  Is it difficult to play it with that emotion?  You need to hear it.  It's amazing to me.

Good
Bad?
Good!
Ohw euh..
good  :-\

Yes...very difficult  :P

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 06:13:24 PM
Lots of fast wide leaps in the LH. Some of the triplets in the LH begin with W-i-d-e  chords over an octave like D#F# or D#G# then the 2nd set of triplets has things like C# or B or D# above mid-c before leaping back down to low A# or low B.  Some of the leaps into the upper range have chords in them also like a BG# before heading back down. Takes a LOT of Control.
 
Then of course you got the RH that needs to do it's thing.

It's  definitely a workout!


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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 09:28:12 PM
It won't be that difficult if you use good practice like I mentioned in your other post. It needs slow practice and probably rhythms.  8)

Hope this helps!

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 09:58:02 PM
Good
Bad?
Good!
Ohw euh..
good  :-\

Yes...very difficult  :P

The one you quoted as bad is the one who gets the most deeply in the mood of the piece, all the patheticity. It is my favorite interpretations of it in the ones on the above, and by far superior to Kissin's one, even objectively. In terms of sound, emotion and color, Horowitz is way better than Kissin.

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 10:34:54 PM
The one you quoted as bad is the one who gets the most deeply in the mood of the piece, all the patheticity. It is my favorite interpretations of it in the ones on the above, and by far superior to Kissin's one, even objectively. In terms of sound, emotion and color, Horowitz is way better than Kissin.
I must say I agree but I didn't dare say so.

Noun form of pathetic is pathos btw.

And how on earth do you play those 12ths he put in there lol?
For us musicians, the music of Beethoven is the pillar of fire and cloud of mist which guided the Israelites through the desert.  (Roughly quoted, Franz Liszt.)

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 10:47:11 PM
I must say I agree but I didn't dare say so.

Noun form of pathetic is pathos btw.

And how on earth do you play those 12ths he put in there lol?

I didn't mean to use it as noun but w/e:P For the 12th, or you have huge hands, or you arpegiate(wich most of people will do lol).

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #7 on: August 18, 2006, 06:12:03 AM
Good
Bad?
Good!
Ohw euh..
good  :-\

Yes...very difficult  :P

Yikes...Kissin murdered it more than played it I think.  Too bangy, maybe it's just the piano.  Still, admirable to watch people who can play it :)

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #8 on: August 18, 2006, 09:57:06 AM
My Book by Ernest Hutcheson rates it difficult, with vers la flamme and a sonata as very difficult.  Hope it's not too bad.
For us musicians, the music of Beethoven is the pillar of fire and cloud of mist which guided the Israelites through the desert.  (Roughly quoted, Franz Liszt.)

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #9 on: August 18, 2006, 10:10:32 AM
My Book by Ernest Hutcheson rates it difficult, with vers la flamme and a sonata as very difficult.  Hope it's not too bad.
Depends on what you can play...
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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #10 on: August 18, 2006, 08:52:48 PM
Good9

Yes, it's good! A little strident and clipped at times. The RH octaves in the f#m middle section are unbelievable  :o . Reminds me of a tank rolling over the enemy, firing as it goes, or an erupting volcano.  >:(


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTe1xMB9Uk Bad?

No, it's good. The wrong notes are unfortunate but do not detract from the flow of the music, which is very beautiful. Probably the best of these performances, it best conveys the beauty of the melody and the idea of "flight" that Scriabin tried to capture in sound; this performance seems to soar.  Heh let's see how you do when you're 82!  ;D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXjk7GkCF8 Good!

Meh. He's seems like he's trying really hard when he doesn't have to. The phrasing is stilted and certain LH notes are too audible, they stick out where they should just be part of the texture. This didn't do much for me, although it's excellent playing. I like his sound.  :)


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Re: Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 10:45:44 PM
Good
Bad?
Good!
Ohw euh..
good 

Yes...very difficult 

(I DISAGREE!!)

1st one - okay
2nd one- f** amazing
3rd one  - bolox
4th one - v. good
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