Animal rights

[liszmaninopin]

That could be the case; like I said earlier, in this world, might makes right.  I wonder how Chimps would treat us if they were the dominant species?  Would we be sitting in zoos, or labs, or poached for organs, or would they allow us to live in peace?  In all probability, I suppose they would be just as cruel to us as we can be to them at times.  Most living things have a kind of selfish outlook on life for survival purposes, and considering how much difficulty some people have empathizing with non-humans, I'd imagine it would be even harder for most wild animals.

[comme_le_vent]

i think youve seen planet of the apes one time too many  

as far as eating meat goes, we dont want cruelty to happen to animals, or them to die even, but its obvious that we value our nutrition above their rights to live.

i believe that human beings arent really any different to animals, we just have more complex brains, and a higher degree of intelligence. but alos , heres a point to ponder.... there are some retards(in the literal sense of the word) that have a lower intelligence than some pigs(or other animals)....
why dont we eat retards?

yes, im serious......

[liszmaninopin]

Actually, I have never once seen Planet of the Apes.

You have an interesting point, there.  Why is it that some people would consider it morally abhorrent to use a highly retarded individual who can't even feel pain in a medical experiment, but it's okay to use chimps or monkeys with extremely clear pain and perfect awareness of what's going on?

[Hannah Joy]

Do you believe that you have the right to judge Vietnamese people who eat dogs?

I'm sorry it's taken me so long, but to answer your question, no, I don't think there's anything wrong with eating.  Or, taking another interpretation of your question, no, I don't have the right to judge them for doing something that's not contrary to the Bible.

You know, moral relativity really goes down to the individual, unless any two people actually agree on everything, which I doubt is possible.

[chopiabin]

Do you believe that if someone of another culture does something against the bible you have the right to say it is wrong?

Are you supporting moral relativism or not?

[Hannah Joy]

Do you believe that if someone of another culture does something against the bible you have the right to say it is wrong?

Yes.  I don't think it's my place to take action on that though.

Are you supporting moral relativism or not?

No.  Do you see my point about it going down to the individual?  Thats just the foundation for another discussion that I'll cover in more depth when I have time.

[Beet9]

Animals should not be eaten or kept in tiny cages where they are mutated, or etc.  I am a vegetarian because I think that killing animals is disgusting.  hello - it's all about morality.  What would you do if someone tried to eat you and/or your family.  Pretty sick, right?

[schnabels_grandson]

I believe that animals have two rights.  
1. To be delicious
2. To be savored in my mouth.

[chopiabin]

I think that this debate simply proves moral relativism. There is no empirical way that anyone can be proven correct in this debate, so everybody's morality comes down to what he or she perceives as correct.

[trunks]

I'm ethnic Chinese born in Hong Kong and brought up in both Chinese and Western cultures. If anybody here has ever peeked into the Chinese culture of eating, literally any living creature could be eaten. Dogs, cats, rats, mice, lizards, snakes, insects, worms, bees, wasps, spiders . . . any disgusting thing one could imagine of! And the cruelty not infrequently involved could be beyond nauseating.

Under such culture I used to have no respect for animal rights. I simply had none such notion as animal rights (indeed ancient Chinese people in power generally had neither respect for, nor even awareness of human rights either, and this sad tradition carries on until this very century - the twenty-first).

Not until we had our dog . . . a male Siberian Husky. Now my attitude toward animals turned 180 degrees. I believe that any soul that is cruel to animals is at least potentially cruel to fellow humans.

[classicarts]

Somtimes, I do think people go beyond what is moral and fair judgement.  I saw on the news few days ago, a K-9 police dog was killed by a  criminal whom was being chased after.  The police sourround the individual and shot the him.  They rushed the dog on a helicopter to save it, and left the criminal to die.    Alot of times, I think we go beyond what is necessary.   Why can't people have the same mentally towards other human beings who needs help.  I think there should be a clear line between an animal and human being.

[trunks]

I would put it this way - a criminal is potentially more of a threat to other fellow humans than dogs.

[bearzinthehood]

I would put it this way - a criminal is potentially more of a threat to other fellow humans than dogs.

I would put it another way, a dog is a dog and a human criminal is still a human being.

[trunks]

Very true. I agree that a criminal is still a human being whose life still deserves respect. But if I had to choose between living with either a criminal (whether or not holding a gun) or a dog, I would no doubt choose the dog.

Your choice?

[bearzinthehood]

Very true. I agree that a criminal is still a human being whose life still deserves respect. But if I had to choose between living with either a criminal (whether or not holding a gun) or a dog, I would no doubt choose the dog.

Your choice?

That's not the issue, and therefore whom or what I would rather live with is irrelevant.  By similar logic, I could say that I would prefer to live with my goldfish than the police chief, therefore the police chief deserves to die.

[leahcim]

Somtimes, I do think people go beyond what is moral and fair judgement.  I saw on the news few days ago, a K-9 police dog was killed by a  criminal whom was being chased after.  The police sourround the individual and shot the him.  They rushed the dog on a helicopter to save it. and left the criminal to die.    Alot of times, I think we go beyond what is necessary.   Why can't people have the same mentally towards other human beings who needs help.  I think there should be a clear line between an animal and human being.

Indeed, it shows crass stupidity and the ensuing debate shows the judgement of most to be lacking.

If a dog has been killed by a criminal- that's it folks, save the helicopter fees for something else, it isn't going to come back to life and there's not much point saving the body, especially in such an expensive way and there's no particular rush. That's your tax dollars paying for cadaverous canine carriage.