Composers associated with cars

[pianowolfi]

In an interview with the German TV station Arte Yundi Li ( Who likes cars very much) answered to a not very serious question that he would associate Beethoven with Mercedes, Porsche with Brahms and Ferrari with Tschaikowsky. that brought me to this veeeerryy serious  question: Which car would you associate with which composer?

[thalbergmad]

Schumann was like a Lada Riva -  Was no good when it worked and thankfully there are none left.

Sorabji was like a Nissan Sunny - Really ugly and could go on for years without making the slightest impression.

Thal

[franz_]

Stupid topic.

[pianowolfi]

Stupid topic.

yeah yeah ok I can't always be earnest and deep and thoughtful and super intelligent. I'm all of this long enough every day, believe me. (Edit: perhaps except the last) No need to read this

[Floristan]

Bach=BMW 7 series
Beethoven=BMW 5 series
Brahms=BMW 3 series

 

Mozart=Toyota
Haydn=Honda

 

Tchaikovsky=Pontiac

 

Hanon=Ford
Czerny=Chevrolet

 

[prometheus]

Someone understood well that this topic only works with humor.

[pianowolfi]

Jeep-Godowsky?

Yep, Prometheus, here you can come to recreate from exhausting religious debates

[shoenberg3]

I am more curious to what Yundi drives, or LL drives.

[pianistimo]

i thought we were talking about gas, here.  i was going to say de pachman.

[pianistimo]

mendelssohn reminds me of chrysler's town and country car.  i can't exactly say why.  maybe it's long and sleek and reminds me of his long fingers. 

i drove tchaikovsky into the ground, according to this thread.

[pianowolfi]

I am more curious to what Yundi drives, or LL drives.

Yundi Li drives a BMW don't know which one though. But he has only a licence for China.



and this guy I would associate with Rolls Royce, but I forgot which car he was driving actually.

[pianistimo]

today, that would equate to a hummer-limosene.  rachmaninov?

[pianowolfi]

mendelssohn reminds me of chrysler's town and country car.  i can't exactly say why.  maybe it's long and sleek and reminds me of his long fingers. 

i drove tchaikovsky into the ground, according to this thread.

So you drove a Ferrari to scrap?

[pianowolfi]

today, that would equate to a hummer-limosene.  rachmaninov?

right!

[pianistimo]

pontiac, unfortunately.  it had almost 300,000 miles on it.  298 or something.  they said - the only way purple heart would likely take the car is if it hadn't changed to 300,000.  whew!  when it was towed away - i waved at it.  it was such a part of the family.  but, the sad thing is that parts became too expensive.  also, the hubcaps had fallen off.  it looked really pathetic in it's last grueling days.  but, in mid-winter, it had heat and it got the kids to school.  and, despite it's lack of air-conditioning in the summer - it got us to the grocery store and back in the evening.  now that i think about it - it also got me to the university and i never had to worry about anyone stealing it.  if i got back and it was gone - i probably would have laughed for the person trying to steal it.  try going around a corner with that car.  you had to double steel corners.

now, i delight to say we have a new car finally.  (after a lot of semi-old cars).  we have a honda accord.  it is very sexy.  and it drives very quietly.  you can listen to music really well in it.  also, we never owned a car with a skylight.  that's really cool.  unless a rock falls on your head from an overpass.  it has black leather seats, too.  i thought they'd be too hot for summer - but they're not because of the tinted windows.  and, they have a feature that heats the seat in the winter.

[pianowolfi]

 also, we never owned a car with a skylight.  that's really cool.  unless a rock falls on your head from an overpass.

something like that

[pianistimo]

i was absolutely positive thal had posted that picture!  it even looks like him inspecting the ruins.  *wonders if he'd mourn me? 

it's just something i've thought about ever since i lived in california.  teenagers would dare each other to drop something over overpasses and after several people were badly injured - i always looked up and then sped under. 

ps that looks like it has to be an 'act of God.'  although, mightily suspicious.  perhaps we should post this for prometheus.

[ahinton]

Sorabji was like a Nissan Sunny - Really ugly and could go on for years without making the slightest impression.

Thal

He would actually have given preference to an Isotta Fraschini, as it happens  - rather a different kettle of fish, that...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Er - William Royce, Constant Lamborghini, Morris Ravel (who would have preferred to take de bussy than drive it), Goffredo Petrastonmartin, Volkswagen Amadeus Mozart - can we also get that Elliott Carter go any faster? (if not, maybe it's down to a Piston problem)...

Best,

Alistair

[arbisley]

I don't ever really think of composers as cars. Don't know, rachmaninov as hummer is a bit controversial, because I don't think he is superfluous. Maybe that comes from the energy-guzzling feature of most of his music.
I think that Mozart should be an old audi: something that works extremely well for any number of years. what about modern composers? they usually don't try to be like modern cars:sleek elegant and nice to look at. Well, maybe Xenakis could be that peugot concept car, rather like an overgrown sand-buggy, pretentious, unattractive and not particularly useful for anything than egocentric display.

I might sound a bit harsh, but this should also be taken as a joke I actually do like some modern stuff, Rautavaara for instance, makes me think of a personalised car, something eccentric, painted in white.

[musik_man]

Brahms is a Porsche?!?  what is Yundi Li smoking.

[ganymed]

i would associate chopin with Mercedes 

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Wolf-Ferrari.. associated with, hmm, I don't know 

[ahinton]

What about J S Bach? All those BMW numbers. Then there's the Ford Granados (or at least there used to be) and the Ford Roberto Sierra - not to mention the Italian Alfano Romeo or indeed the French Morris E-manual transmission or even the Swedish Anders Hillman or the Hungarian Aloys Humber...

An alternative to the well-established Deryck Cooke "performing version" of Mahler's Tenth Symphony was, of course, compiled by one Joe Wheeler and, even if one can have that symphony without a Wheeler, one can't have a car without wheels.

Best,

Alistair

[zheer]

  Personally, i associate makes of pianos with composers, the music which they compose, to the world i see round me, including people. Cars on the other hand, are a luxury which not many people have.

[zheer]

i would associate chopin with Mercedes 

   They are very ugly, but...........

[counterpoint]

It looks like many car manufactorers are sponsors of classical music because cars are expensive and people who own much money are supposed to like classical music.

Okay, that was not the question...   

[zheer]

Okay, that was not the question...   

  True, if my memory is correct , Italian, sweedish and japaneeeeeez cars are popular  .

[imbetter]

did you know yundi li owns  a ferrarai?

[zheer]

           

[pianowolfi]

           

Yes on German motorways there is no general speed limit (yet). germany, the land of cars. Sometimes pretty dangerous there.

[Bob]

John Cage with either an empty street, whatever car happens to pass at that time, or a car with modified parts added so it sounds different.

[timothy42b]

I'm thinking the Volkswagen would go with.........






..............the Beatles???

[ganymed]

Yes on German motorways there is no general speed limit (yet). germany, the land of cars. Sometimes pretty dangerous there.

it is not dangerous In germany more people die of suicide than of car accidents

[steinwaymodeld]

Schumann was like a Lada Riva -  Was no good when it worked and thankfully there are none left.

Sorabji was like a Nissan Sunny - Really ugly and could go on for years without making the slightest impression.

Thal

I begged your pardon?

ever heard of the FairLady Z series (or now 350Z)?





YEA, i am defending Nissan instead of Sorabji.
P.S. Sorry, i thought u meant Nissan in general.



Actually I think of Sorabji as the Hummer, a huge piece of crap that doesn't know when or how to stop.

(I made a funny LOL)

[mephisto]

Actually I think of Sorabji as the Hummer, a huge piece of crap that doesn't know when or how to stop.

The "doesn't know when to stop" part I can tolerate, but the rest is just stupid SMD. Analyse one bar of Sorabji's music and tell me it is crap. Or tell me why Ogdon, Hamelin and Powell have decided that the music is well worth playing?

And I know you are an ingtelligent person.

[timothy42b]

Yes on German motorways there is no general speed limit (yet). germany, the land of cars. Sometimes pretty dangerous there.

I drive in Germany every day, 100 kilometers each way to work.

The state highways all have 100 kph speed limits.

The Autobahns (equivalent to a US interstate though better maintained) have recommended speed limits of 130 kph but if traffic allows you can drive as fast as your car will go, outside some posted areas.  My tires are only rated to 210 so that's my theoretical limit, but gas consumption goes up so rapidly with speed that I don't ever drive that fast.  This works with surprisingly few accidents because everybody knows the rules and honors them.  The slowpokes stay right, always.  (except for stupid Americans, sorry to say it takes a while to get the hang of this for some of my buddies <g>)  Passing is on the left, always, and then you get back over because no matter how fast you are, there's always somebody faster. 

When you do speed they don't waste time pulling you over and miss the next 10 cars, they just take your picture and send your ticket in the mail.  Very efficient. 

[shortyshort]

How about HENRY MANCINI and The Pink Panther Car

[zheer]

When you do speed they don't waste time pulling you over and miss the next 10 cars, they just take your picture and send your ticket in the mail.  Very efficient. 

   In the Uk points are also deducted from the motorists licence.

[Bob]

Danny Elfman and the Batmobile!

Whoever wrote the James Bond theme and the Porshe (?) from Goldfinger.

[rach n bach]

Joplin = Model T

Alkan = Ferrari Testa Rosa

Mozart = Lexus (classy)

Glass = motor scooter   

[soliloquy]

John Cage=Mini Cooper

[shortyshort]

Whoever wrote the James Bond theme and the Porshe (?) from Goldfinger.

I think you'll find it was a 1965 Aston Martin DB5

[steinwaymodeld]

The "doesn't know when to stop" part I can tolerate, but the rest is just stupid SMD. Analyse one bar of Sorabji's music and tell me it is crap. Or tell me why Ogdon, Hamelin and Powell have decided that the music is well worth playing?

And I know you are an ingtelligent person.

Well well, i know i was gonna get roasted for that. But I didn't expect that from my fellow sdcer.

Anyway, one thing that turned me away from Sorabji was his attitude concerning his composition, he actually took PRIDE in how MANY notes he can put on the sheet at once, and how difficult his works are and how pianists at his time can't play it but himself. It seems more of a kid saying: 'look what I can do' attitude (which reminds me of Stuart from MadTV)
I do think he got some nice composition, for eg the chopin waltz transcritpion., the toccatina and 2nd sonata.

But I think, a composer should NEVER took pride and emphasis on how difficult he can make his music to be, as music is to convey ideas and notions. I certainly don't enjoy FISHING for those ideas and notions from that SEA of notes.

And one can always make any composition harder by adding more stuff to the sheet. One might argue with Ravel's Scarbo for him setting out to write the 'most difficult piano work', but from his msuic I can tell he wasn't just trying to 'write the most difficult work and regardless of how many notes on the paper', it's more like, he is trying to write something truly challeging and really push the technical aspect to the limit that no one ever seen previously in the world of piano literture WHILE fully fulfilling the content and potential of EVERY single notes he put on the paper. (The latter part is where Sorabji so often dismissed, as he just want to put as much notes on the paper as he wants to.)

Having said that, doesn't mean i don't enjoy Sorabji's music at all, but his composition attitude really just annoys the hell outta me. (even if there are qualities and 'moments' in sorabji's music, it's so oftenly flooded by the oh-so-overly-gigantic-scale-and-length of passages, thus the true essence of his music are just watered down, ie inefficient. He got no one to blame but himself.)

On the note, why Ogdon would attempt OC (i really don't know except Ogdon is probably the world best sight-reader ever walked the earth, and it probably is much more easy for him to play OC than anyone else) it must mean Ogdon think it is WORTH his time and hardwork to trying to convey those 'ideas' in the OC (but is it really worth the time for the listener?) It's all about trade-off, is it worth it? which is a question for both the pianist and the audience

and for me, 80% of Sorabji's music does not worth my time. I would much rather listen to Ornstein, or even early John Cage.

[mephisto]

I understand.

[ahinton]

Well well, i know i was gonna get roasted for that. But I didn't expect that from my fellow sdcer.

If you knew you'd invite such a reaction, why did you not expect it?

Anyway, one thing that turned me away from Sorabji was his attitude concerning his composition, he actually took PRIDE in how MANY notes he can put on the sheet at once, and how difficult his works are and how pianists at his time can't play it but himself. It seems more of a kid saying: 'look what I can do' attitude

But that's rubbish; where did you get such an idea from?

But I think, a composer should NEVER took pride and emphasis on how difficult he can make his music to be, as music is to convey ideas and notions.

I agree; so would Sorabji have agreed.

I certainly don't enjoy FISHING for those ideas and notions from that SEA of notes.

Well, that's another matter.

And one can always make any composition harder by adding more stuff to the sheet. One might argue with Ravel's Scarbo for him setting out to write the 'most difficult piano work', but from his msuic I can tell he wasn't just trying to 'write the most difficult work and regardless of how many notes on the paper', it's more like, he is trying to write something truly challeging and really push the technical aspect to the limit that no one ever seen previously in the world of piano literture WHILE fully fulfilling the content and potential of EVERY single notes he put on the paper. (The latter part is where Sorabji so often dismissed, as he just want to put as much notes on the paper as he wants to.)

Not true of Sorabji (see above, again)

Having said that, doesn't mean i don't enjoy Sorabji's music at all, but his composition attitude really just annoys the hell outta me.

Then you should try harder to understand what it actually was, rather than assume that it was something else which happens not to seem acceptable to either of us in principle.

(even if there are qualities and 'moments' in sorabji's music, it's so oftenly flooded by the oh-so-overly-gigantic-scale-and-length of passages, thus the true essence of his music are just watered down, ie inefficient. He got no one to blame but himself.)

Again, nonsense. It seems that you know few works by Sorabji. Of his 60 or so piano works, more than 755 of them would fit into a conventional length concert programme.

On the note, why Ogdon would attempt OC (i really don't know except Ogdon is probably the world best sight-reader ever walked the earth, and it probably is much more easy for him to play OC than anyone else) it must mean Ogdon think it is WORTH his time and hardwork to trying to convey those 'ideas' in the OC (but is it really worth the time for the listener?) It's all about trade-off, is it worth it? which is a question for both the pianist and the audience

No one in his/her right mind would prepare one of Sorabji's larger works unless they believed not only that it was worth it to them but also to the audience.

and for me, 80% of Sorabji's music does not worth my time. I would much rather listen to Ornstein, or even early John Cage.

That's up to you - but do please get to know sufficient to understand what it is that you are expressing opinions about before you blithely rush ahead and express them.

Best,

Alistair

[thalberg]

Bartok = Subaru

(well-crafted and UGLY in a good way)

[counterpoint]

UGLY in a good way)

yeah... sometimes