Discovering Less-known Piano Concertos

[immanueljoseph]

Dear all,

Please help me to rank those Piano Concertos I mentioned above from the least to the most difficult Piano Concerto. Thank you so much.

I wonder if Carl Czerny (composer of "The School of Velocity") had ever composed any Piano Concerto. Can anyone tell me, and do you have the score? Can you send one copy for me? Ha, ha... If you don't mind. Sorry! Thanks a lot!

[thalbergmad]

I have no knolwedge of the Strauss, so i would say the Rubinstein is the most difficult.

Some of the Field Concerto's are not demanding in the mechanical department, but are in the musical department.

Czerny did indeed compose a concerto and i have recently posted the score on Pianophilia

https://www.pianophilia.com/forum/index.php?rc=Done


A recording can be found on this delightful site.

https://www.classicaldiscoveries.com/composers.php

Enjoy

Thal

[jre58591]

these piano concertos arent really "lesser-known", but they probably arent standard rep. the burlesque and rubinstein's 4th are hardest i think.

[ihatepop]

Less known----Chopin Piano Concerto no1

Hmmmm..............

ihatepop

[immanueljoseph]

Dear all,

O. K., I've made a mistake. Chopin's 1st Piano Concerto in e minor, Op. 11 is an extremely well-known Piano Concerto.

Well, some people informed me that this Chopin's 1st actually was very much influenced from Hummel's b minor Piano Concerto. Is it true? How is it alike, in terms of what?

Secondly, regarding orchestration. A lot of people said that this concerto (in fact, Chopin's both Piano Concertos) has a poor orchestration. However, for me it's not. Look at the second theme of the first movement, it is very beautifully written, for it is a dialog between the solo instrument (piano) and the orchestra (in this case in the horn and bassoon), it is somehow like Mozart's isn't it? The most obvious dialog between the soloinstrument (piano) and the orchestra can be seen at the middle section of Chopin's "Krakowiak" in F Major,Op. 14, where all the winds one by one take turns to have a one-to-one dialog with piano, it's so touchfully and well-organized written. It's amazing, isn't it?

So, please don't misunderstood or judge directly & unfairly, I think that there is no other composer who can do this, except Mozart (as I'm sure that Chopin had learned & analyzed Mozart's Piano Concertos or Operas, at least Mozart's "Don Giovanni", isn't it?

O. K. then, thank you so much & once again, please accept my sincere apology. Thanks.

Best regards,
Joseph

[prometheus]

If you are going to judge instrumentation then you don't rate the beauty of the melodies.

Fact is that Chopin was uncomfortable with orchestration and because of that the orchestral parts are much more limited. This is one obvious point and it is important because it undermines the fundemantal idea behind the concerto form.

Then you can also start to rate the quality of that what he did write.

Also, these pieces are conducted and directed by able people. They know how to create an orchestra texture. So they may overrule the score. Every orchestra piece that is performed takes some liberties with the score. So if you are going to rate Chopin's manuscript you don't listen to recordings. But you look at the score itself. The conductor will have improved on the really problematic parts.