disappearing thread

[ada]

Where has the thread proposing a religion board gone? Has god smitten it?

 

[ihatepop]

Where has the thread proposing a religion board gone? Has god smitten it?

 

Were you the one who proposed it?
Religion board....I don't really think pianostreet needs a religion board, they fit nicely in anything but piano.

By the way, I don't think the moderators really like, ummm, threads about religion, you know.

ihatepop

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

This reminds me of a thread that also disappeared. It was about something having to do with chat rooms.

[jre58591]

next thing you know, this thread will be gone also. btw, there is only one moderator, nils.

[phil13]

Where has the thread proposing a religion board gone? Has god smitten it?

 

I think Nils actually smote my thread. 

Funny how certain things can touch nerves.

Phil

[nilsjohan]

Topics can "disappear" without explanation but this is very rare and is of course something we try to avoid.
It usually happens when they develops badly and cleaning them up would affect the total discussion in such an extent that keeping them is even worse than deleting them.

If you want to discuss this idea about a separate religion board, please continue this topic here but make sure to stay objective and avoid offensive statements.

BTW, a religion board at Piano Street is not likely to happen.
A more appropriate question is if the kind of discussions regarding religious matters going on in the Anything but Piano section should be limited or prevented.

[phil13]

I don't believe they should be prevented, it's just that there are certain instances where religious posts sneak into non-religious threads for no viable reason, like the Puzzles thread. I view it and become irritated because, to me, this is a form of spamming and needs to stop right there.

In the words of Frenchie: "Sorry, didn't mean to offend anybody"

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

Isn't one of the forum rules to not have any religious discussions? No wonder this forum contains so many quandaries.

Not only are some people breaking the rules, but actually want an in your face subboard.

[phil13]

Greetings.

Isn't one of the forum rules to not have any religious discussions? No wonder this forum contains so many quandaries.

Not only are some people breaking the rules, but actually want an in your face subboard.

I just wanted it contained so it wouldn't be all over the rest of the forum.

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Contained? If you contain every religious discussion then you will have to contain practically half of all threads, as many of them eventually do develop into the said discussions.

[phil13]

Contained? If you contain every religious discussion then you will have to contain practically half of all threads, as many of them eventually do develop into the said discussions.

That's the problem! Many of the threads are devolving into religious debates, even when the topic has absolutely no link to religion whatsoever.

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Exactly, therefore containing them under one sub-board would not do them justice, it will just ruin the forum. Many members might be penitent about such religious discussions so prohibiting them will be concomitant to the forum rules. However, such discussions are theoretically not wrong. I think that punishment should be reserved for those who verbally abuse another person for their religious, or otherwise ethical beliefs.

[phil13]

I just dislike fairly large posts of religious text that prove to be complete immaterial and total blarney. In the religious threads (or those that are VERY easily molded into religious discussions, like the morals thread) this is fine, because it has a chance of pertaining to the aforementioned topic of said thread, but it's not okay in my eyes in all the other threads, where it just comes from NOWHERE out in left field and is solely religious spam.

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Of course, but what can one do. You can't just ban members for leading a normal discussion astray. Some posts just simply inveigle a member into posting about religion due to their nature. For example, Bach was a religious man, and many of his works reflect religion, such as the chorales, the Well-Tempered Clavier, etc. Many of his works contain Evangelist beliefs. Is this an accessible conversation. Yes, as long as no one is mordant or otherwise insulting anyone due to the particular beliefs and thoghts.

[debussy symbolism]

Phil do you see the irony? This thread was originally about disappearing threads. Look at how far it has diverted.

[phil13]

only because Nils asked us to say it here. 

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with a desultory way of posting, but certain messages should be kept under attention; the ethics, beliefs, etc.

[phil13]

I just don't understand how such messages are useful. If the topic at hand (not necessarily the 'topic' of the original thread) is not helped at all by the post, what good is there in posting at all? Adding to your post count?

It just bothers me because it brings together the two things that I dislike having to read on forums the most: religious zealotry and useless comments.

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Funny you should mentioned that, because two of your descriptions fit perfectly well with a forumer with a God status. Pianistimo fits your description of religious "zeal" and she contributed a quite lot of "vapid" comments(no offense). She even stated that herself somewhere. Perhaps it is her zealousy that caused her to post so much in order to achieve the "God" status.

[debussy symbolism]

Not to mentioned the amount of multiple postings.

[phil13]

Funny that YOU should mention that, because that particular forumer is the one that has been bothering me the most.

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

You mean me?

[phil13]

no, I mean Pianistimo.

Since when were you a religious zealot?

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

Find anywhere where I was insulting someone or expatiating on my religious beliefs.

I choose to believe in myself and would never deride anyone for their beliefs, no matter how obscure.

[phil13]

I was kidding. 

Obviously you have never done that, so I chose to ask why you would think that I thought that you thought I was talking about you. 

Phil

[debussy symbolism]

You capitalized "you". Even though the sentence structure implies your annoyance with Pianistimo, I wanted to be clear, so there would be eschewal of confusion.

[phil13]

I capitalized it because the sentence I wrote began with the exact same words as the sentence you had previously typed. But, we are getting off-topic.

Phil

[phil13]

This thread seems to have become redundant, DS, for it seems I am now only voicing my opinion to you.

Phil

[ted]

It doesn't really bother me one way or the other. I am not in the slightest interested in religion; neither am I particularly interested in growing geraniums or the life cycle of the blowfly. When something I am not interested in turns up I am at complete liberty to ignore it, as I do elsewhere in life. I am almost 100% here for the music, to contribute my ideas and recordings, to help the occasional person if I can, and to hear people play and to listen to their musical philosophy.

I used to join in the occasional philosophical debate but haven't for many months and I am generally reducing my posting on all forums. This is simply due to personal lack of time and is in no way caused by things people have said or arguments they have had. 

In short, the issue is of no particular significance to me. 

[thalbergmad]

or the life cycle of the blowfly 

That is a shame, coz that is one of my fields of expertise.

Thal

[phil13]

I have a new question concerning this topic-

I just realized that some SDC-ish posts were removed in the Audition Room. Do the post counts actually go BACK, i.e. get reduced, when a topic is deleted or partially deleted?

Phil

[nilsjohan]

Deleted posts are not included in the post totals. The number gets reduced if a post is deleted.

[debussy symbolism]

Nils, I gotta ask you. Do you indulge in the viewing of the posts you deleted, perhaps for their content of otherwise bad humor?

[nilsjohan]

If I for any reason would indulge in viewing copyright infringements, offensive personal insults, excessive dasdc language, porn, racist comments, commercial advertisements etc. there would probably be better resources available on the Internet to satisfy my needs.

Having to waste my time cleaning up after imature members ignoring the forum rules and posting such content in this forum just makes me upset.

[quasimodo]

excessive dasdc language

 

[nicco]

If I for any reason would indulge in viewing copyright infringements, offensive personal insults, excessive dasdc language, porn, racist comments, commercial advertisements etc. there would probably be better resources available on the Internet to satisfy my needs.

Having to waste my time cleaning up after imature members ignoring the forum rules and posting such content in this forum just makes me upset.

You can always appoint some moderators to help you clean up

[debussy symbolism]

It must be a hassle for you Nils.

Hey maybe some members can just straight out spam in mass quantity. Perhaps then Nils will appoint some to help him clean up.

[jre58591]

Hey maybe some members can just straight out spam in mass quantity. Perhaps then Nils will appoint some to help him clean up.

ive been barking up that tree for a long time with no success.

[debussy symbolism]

I believe that Nils treated the forum unfairly this time. A day ago, there was a thread to which I responded in one of the boards. Not it is gone. I have the right to know why it is banned.

[quasimodo]

I believe that Nils treated the forum unfairly this time. A day ago, there was a thread to which I responded in one of the boards. Not it is gone. I have the right to know why it is banned.

What makes you think you have rights as far as the forum (and any forum) is concerned  ?

[debussy symbolism]

I am going to ignore any hints of sarcasm from your post and answer the question as though it was real. When I post something as a responce to something and it gets deleted, I have a right to know just what exactly went on in there. I am blaming Nils, the corrupt and omnipotent dictator who chooses to obliterate posts at will. How are we certain that he doesn't just delete other posts too, even those of good quality and informative nature?

[quasimodo]

I am going to ignore any hints of sarcasm from your post and answer the question as though it was real. When I post something as a responce to something and it gets deleted, I have a right to know just what exactly went on in there. I am blaming Nils, the corrupt and omnipotent dictator who chooses to obliterate posts at will. How are we certain that he doesn't just delete other posts too, even those of good quality and informative nature?

That's pretty unfair. Nils, despite his apparently cold character, is one of the most liberal and reasonable mod I ever seen on any internet community (and I'm not saying that in order to get gold membership without paying the fees, but Nils, please, Nils).

[debussy symbolism]

Liberal and reasoning? I guess that really answers his..............behavior as of recent event. I think that Nils should notify about deleted threads, and give a reason.

[quasimodo]

Liberal and reasoning? I guess that really answers his..............behavior as of recent event. I think that Nils should notify about deleted threads, and give a reason.

I guess he doesn't have time for that.
But really he's not abusive, compared to some mods in other forums. Believe me.

[debussy symbolism]

There are other moderators active on this forum? Not abusive, what is abusive then? I believe it could be a potentate who just gloats over his power and actually threatens the forumers of banning them.

[quasimodo]

There are other moderators active on this forum?

No, I was talking of other forums.

Not abusive, what is abusive then? I believe it could be a potentate who just gloats over his power and actually threatens the forumers of banning them.

Some mods out there are just unbereable. Nils is very soft and discrete.

[nilsjohan]

When I post something as a responce to something and it gets deleted, I have a right to know just what exactly went on in there.

Exactly what causes you to believe you have that right?

I am blaming Nils, the corrupt and omnipotent dictator who chooses to obliterate posts at will. How are we certain that he doesn't just delete other posts too, even those of good quality and informative nature?

You can of course not be certain but here are some reasons that I hope can help you getting less worried:

1. Only one member (or at least very few) out of 13039 has taken up this issue as a problem.
2. Only about 1% of the total posts are being deleted. 95% of those deleted posts are spam, copyright law breaks or replies to such posts which consequently become useless.
3. The policy is to inform the poster about deleted posts but this is not always followed in case of spam, trolling or repeated breaking of the forum rules.
4. If you look at this website and forum objectively and consider the reasons for why it existist, do you really believe that posts of "good quality and informative nature" are removed without good reasons?

With this said I must also admit that I am just a simple human beeing which occasionally make mistakes or not so well judged decisions. Sometimes the aim to quickly take care of issues to keep the forum clean, "family friendly" and to avoid discussions taking off in dangerous directions are of higher priority than always informing everyone about everything. I am afraid you have to accept this if chosing to utilzing this website.
However, in doubtful cases I am always open for discussion.

You do apparently have a very negative view about how this forum is administrated but I do not really understand what your real problem is.
Please understand that I am not your enemy, just dedicated to making this website as useful as possible for people interested in classical piano playing.

[jas]

I am blaming Nils, the corrupt and omnipotent dictator who chooses to obliterate posts at will. How are we certain that he doesn't just delete other posts too, even those of good quality and informative nature?

Maybe you should contact Amnesty International...

[debussy symbolism]

Exactly what causes you to believe you have that right?

2. Only about 1% of the total posts are being deleted. 95% of those deleted posts are spam, copyright law breaks or replies to such posts which consequently become useless.

Thats my point. Yes, I understand that most posts are deleted either because of inapropriate content or otherwise "spam". However, you haven't entirely specified what is the content of the remaining 5% posts or threads deleted. That is what I am worried about. If it's not spam, then what is it? Content not suitable for your nature? If that then why not just delete any random posts that you don't agree with. I am sure that you understand that this is a precise allegory of the dictatorship issue. If they don't like what you say, they get rid of you.

Believe me, in no way am I against you Nils, or the forum, but just somethings are well, secret. If you delete a thread, notify everyone of it's deletion. Providing explanations for deletion would also be helpful. Whether it's spam, inapropriate content, or whatever.

[phil13]

DS, most of the non-spam posts deleted are SDC-ish in nature I believe. Nils dislikes da SDC, so he removes posts when they become too similar to posts on that forum.

Phil

P.S.

3. The policy is to inform the poster about deleted posts but this is not always followed in case of spam, trolling or repeated breaking of the forum rules.

What is trolling?