Hardest etudes?

[ihatepop]

OK, heres ihatepop with another poll. Who do you think writes the hardest etudes? Please elaborate if the composer of your opinion is not in the poll.

Thanks,

ihatepop

[franz_]

Scriabin is totaly out of the lis(z)t.  (haha.

And my vote is defenetly Slitsz.

[thalbergmad]

Please, I beg you, not another "Hardest" thread.

Thal

[ihatepop]

Please, I beg you, not another "Hardest" thread.

Thal

Sorry, my hands were itching.

ihatepop

[nicco]

Sorry, my hands were itching.

ihatepop

ah yes, the endless search for attention

the hardest are definately the mozart etudes

[thalbergmad]

Please someone close this thread before the 20th Century Brigade or the "Sorabjians" see it.

Thal

[dnephi]

Sorabji  100 TRanscendental Etudes

[ihatepop]

Sorabji  100 TRanscendental Etudes

Please someone close this thread before the 20th Century Brigade or the "Sorabjians" see it.

Thal

Haha, too late.

ihatepop

[thalbergmad]

Sorabji  100 TRanscendental Etudes

ARGGGGGHHHHHH, you don't know what you have started.

The Finissyians, Barettians and Barlowsians will hear about this.

The intelligentsia and school of "New Complexity" or whatever it's called will be upon us.

I predict 100 posts before this is finished.

Thal

[hodi]

scriabin op.42/5 is the hardest of all =]

[dnephi]

According to Koji, the scriabin 42 5 is "mildly impossible" for most pianists.  They usually slam the pedal down and fake it.

And sorry thalbergmad.  You were angry at the post, and so I thought, why not?  I am not in the 2-th century brigade or somethimg.

Btw! Look at the barber sonata on youtube 4th movement!  That's technique  .

Daniel

[jre58591]

god, not ANOTHER one of these threads!!!! anyways, sorabji's 100 transcendental etudes and ligeti's etudes take the cake. case closed. lock the thread nils.

[pianowolfi]

god, not ANOTHER one of these threads!!!! anyways, sorabji's 100 transcendental etudes and ligeti's etudes take the cake. case closed. lock the thread nils.

Well, what's-the-hardest threads pop out of pf like mushrooms. How do you want to stop them? Once you close one two others come up at another board.

[jre58591]

true. then we should all petition for a rule that prohibits these threads at the risk of being banned. or perhaps a disclaimer. i dont really know, jsut anything to stop tehse annoying threads.

[mephisto]

jre why do you always write tihs way, for me it can be very annoying. it is not taht i dont understand waht u r trying to say but please write teh in teh right way.

[jre58591]

jre why do you always write tihs way, for me it can be very annoying. it is not taht i dont understand waht u r trying to say but please write teh in teh right way.

its mostly because i type too fast. its not intentional.

[mephisto]

its mostly because i type too fast. its not intentional.

hahahh :stop:

[ilikepie]

scriabin op.42/5 is the hardest of all =]

What does that mean? I truly and honestly have no idea. I'm gonna play this etude so I'm concerned. Unless it's an inside joke ._.

[ihatepop]

true. then we should all petition for a rule that prohibits these threads at the risk of being banned. or perhaps a disclaimer. i dont really know, jsut anything to stop tehse annoying threads.

Try.

Ok, fine. If you want me to stop posting 'hardest' threads, just tell me nicely, don't shout.

Maybe next time when I need an answer I'll send you a PM .

ihatepop

[shun]

the hardest are definately the mozart etudes

agreed!

[phil13]

jre why do you always write tihs way, for me it can be very annoying. it is not taht i dont understand waht u r trying to say but please write teh in teh right way.

Does it matter?

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,13357.0.html 

Phil

[thierry13]

What does that mean? I truly and honestly have no idea. I'm gonna play this etude so I'm concerned. Unless it's an inside joke ._.

I don't think that was some inside joke.  But I don't think it is THAT hard, but indeed isn't very hard at first looks, or first reading ... but to play professionaly, or at VERY high levels(standards), it is hard to master really well.

[Waldszenen]

The 51 Godowsky Etudes are probably the hardest pieces altogether, let alone etudes.

[invictious]

Chopin.

He wrote the etudes not only as an etude, but the way he was actually feeling when he wrote it.

The fury, passion and the delicacy imbedded in Chopin's Etudes are not to be overlooked, one takes real learning of the etudes to understand.

Etudes are also music you know 

Czerny and Hanon are harder than chopin 

[opus10no2]

This is actually an interesting question to pose, because I find it difficult coming up with absolute answers to these kinds of questions.

Surely, the point in learning and mastering these pieces is to demonstrate the capacity of your technique; and with that cause in mind, we must question what each of these sets of etudes demonstrates.

Nevertheless we must conclude that the true quality of the pianist can only be gauged by the quality of his/her playing.

This can surely be observed by the fact that a pianist's dexterity can as easily(if not more easily) be judged by simply playing simple scales, arpeggios, octave scales, and 3rds/6ths, than by playing sorabji.

The music of sorabji, to me, is colourful and polytechnical to the extreme, but he uses practically no new techniques that hadnt been used before, he just used new harmonies and fuller, more dissonant chords.

Ligeti and Xenakis, while being difficult works, they essentially do the same, but with a different harmonic language, and new polyrhythmic difficulties, but even many of these are encountered in Godowsky's etudes.

From my observations; Godowsky is the composer who covered the most technical ground with his piano writing, in a tonal context; the only problem being , is that few people play these works and therefore the arena is less competitive.

In conclusion, and in my humble opinion, the greatest platform for judging a pianist's technical capacity are the original Chopin etudes, and Godowsky's etudes based upon them.
Reasons? every single area of finger dexterity is exercised and put on display, and virtually every niche of textural/technical/figurational inginuity is covered, within the romantic harmonic context from which within they wrote.
Plus - the tonal style of them is much more pallateable to the majority of audiences than the other composers/styles mentioned.

The only thing I can think of that is comparitavely lacking in them is extended segments with chords and octaves, but these can easily be found in Alkan , Liszt , and the like.

In the 21st century, the Godowsky etudes arena will become more competitive, and from then on we can enjoy the era of the uber-virtuoso.

[etudes]

This is actually an interesting question to pose, because I find it difficult coming up with absolute answers to these kinds of questions.

Surely, the point in learning and mastering these pieces is to demonstrate the capacity of your technique; and with that cause in mind, we must question what each of these sets of etudes demonstrates.

Nevertheless we must conclude that the true quality of the pianist can only be gauged by the quality of his/her playing.

This can surely be observed by the fact that a pianist's dexterity can as easily(if not more easily) be judged by simply playing simple scales, arpeggios, octave scales, and 3rds/6ths, than by playing sorabji.

The music of sorabji, to me, is colourful and polytechnical to the extreme, but he uses practically no new techniques that hadnt been used before, he just used new harmonies and fuller, more dissonant chords.

Ligeti and Xenakis, while being difficult works, they essentially do the same, but with a different harmonic language, and new polyrhythmic difficulties, but even many of these are encountered in Godowsky's etudes.

From my observations; Godowsky is the composer who covered the most technical ground with his piano writing, in a tonal context; the only problem being , is that few people play these works and therefore the arena is less competitive.

In conclusion, and in my humble opinion, the greatest platform for judging a pianist's technical capacity are the original Chopin etudes, and Godowsky's etudes based upon them.
Reasons? every single area of finger dexterity is exercised and put on display, and virtually every niche of textural/technical/figurational inginuity is covered, within the romantic harmonic context from which within they wrote.
Plus - the tonal style of them is much more pallateable to the majority of audiences than the other composers/styles mentioned.

The only thing I can think of that is comparitavely lacking in them is extended segments with chords and octaves, but these can easily be found in Alkan , Liszt , and the like.

In the 21st century, the Godowsky etudes arena will become more competitive, and from then on we can enjoy the era of the uber-virtuoso.

well said
IMO the hardest etude is Alkan Comme Le Vent op.39 no.1 (at Alkan's required tempo)