romantic confusion

[thalbergmad]

all i said was 'hello.' 

How provocative is that.

You can't go around just saying hello to people.

Thal

[pianistimo]

somehow, i feel that my thread has been taken over by spammers.  defining my life by monthly periods sounds about as romantic as going to bosnia on vacation.  you know.  go for a stroll and step on a land mine.  men know how to take it all back and leave you with the string you started with. 

viola?  i would take up the viola if i was truly crazy.  i mean, the kind of crazy that would frequent pianolists friends in bethlehem for a 'curling and ironing session.'  those are old lady shops along that boulevard!  no, i only go for the mall.  they have up-to-date stylists - but they leave the salon quickly due to inability to get their tips back from the salon.  there's this unwritten rule 'do not let the shop owner see your tip.  once they do - it's company money.'  'i'm thinking next time i'll slip it under my frock when she turns the chair - and then say 'stick this in your bra quick.'

now, speaking of bras...how do you all know so much about this?  you seem to act like you know everything.  bet you don't know much about the wonder bra.  it can hold up vertically and horizontally without anything in it.  but, when you fill it up - it becomes a sort of twin 'tower of power.'  also, it is very cool what you can do with cleavage.  but, we won't get into that right here. 

[ahinton]

somehow, i feel that my thread has been taken over by spammers.  defining my life by monthly periods sounds about as romantic as going to bosnia on vacation.  you know.  go for a stroll and step on a land mine.  men know how to take it all back and leave you with the string you started with.

Forum members from Bosnia might take exception to that...

now, speaking of bras...how do you all know so much about this?  you seem to act like you know everything.  bet you don't know much about the wonder bra.  it can hold up vertically and horizontally without anything in it.  but, when you fill it up - it becomes a sort of twin 'tower of power.'  also, it is very cool what you can do with cleavage.  but, we won't get into that right here. 

You can put a viola - oh, never mind. But do be careful about your "twin tower" argument; we don't want to encourage terrorists to fire violas into them, do we?...

Yours, in what is clearly the worst possible taste (or sul tasto in viola player's terminology)...

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

ahinton, the worst possible taste is wearing no bra at all.  of course, in some circles it is called the best taste.  i really don't know.  bras were probably an invention of men and then they decided they didn't like them anymore.  i don't think women even wore bras in the 1800s.  i think it was a 20th century invention.  then, when the women's revolution came in -they burned them.  only to pull them out again -for future reference as to how to make them more comfortable.  there's no way you can make elastic comfortable 24/7.  the only way to relieve oneself is to put them on the loosest possible setting and breath normally.  men don't know the half of what women go through. 

[ahinton]

ahinton, the worst possible taste is wearing no bra at all.

Then my sartorial habits are in the worst possible taste.

of course, in some circles it is called the best taste.

Plus ça change...

i really don't know.

Well, I'm quite sure that I don't either - or at least I do not have a view on the subject, since it is not one which especially preoccupies me.

then, when the women's revolution came in -they burned them.

No - only certain of those of feminist persuasion ever did that and, even then, they did so only as what they saw to be a symbolic gesture; as someone once wryly remarked at that time, no feminist has ever been seen to burn one while actually wearing it...

the only way to relieve oneself is to put them on the loosest possible setting and breath normally.

I can somehow sense a wacky answer to that coming from a certain Thalbergian diretion...

men don't know the half of what women go through. 

Or the other half either, one may suppose, given your topic here...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

ahinton, the worst possible taste is wearing no bra at all. 

Well, not all women have got enough to fill one.

My ex girlfriend was called "Tessie Two Backs".

Thal

[ahinton]

Well, not all women have got enough to fill one.

My ex girlfriend was called "Tessie Two Backs".

Thal

Without wishing to appear rude (which I don't), your choice of (ex-)girlfriends is up to you and not necessarily germane (still less Germaine) to the arguments here...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Without wishing to appear rude (which I don't), your choice of (ex-)girlfriends is up to you and not necessarily germane (still less Germaine) to the arguments here...

Best,

Alistair

Found the key to the drinks cabinet old boy.

Off to the Shetlands in a couple of weeks, i will bring you back something potent.

Thal

[barnowl]

Without wishing to appear rude (which I don't), your choice of (ex-)girlfriends is up to you and not necessarily germane (still less Germaine) to the arguments here...

Best,

Alistair

They named a premarital blood test after you, Alistair. Is this why you're so cross?

[ahinton]

They named a premarital blood test after you, Alistair. Is this why you're so cross?

Er - you'd better explain that. Before you do, I should reply that (a) I've never heard of any blood test named after either my forename or my surname (so you'd better enlighten us all as to what this is) and (b) I am not at all "cross" - where, how and why did you get that idea from the quote that you made here?

Best,

Alistair

[barnowl]

Er - you'd better explain that. Before you do, I should reply that (a) I've never heard of any blood test named after either my forename or my surname (so you'd better enlighten us all as to what this is) and (b) I am not at all "cross" - where, how and why did you get that idea from the quote that you made here?

Best,

Alistair

It's called a Hinton, and it's a test for syphilis. Google on it. Just thought I'd throw you off a bit. And I did. 

[thalbergmad]

It is interesting what you get if you google the word hinton.

This is my favourite.

https://www.physorg.com/news75116939.html

Must be a relative.

Thal

[barnowl]

I worked in  hospital lab while going through college. Nights and weekends.

One Saturday, this young couple came in to get their premarital blood test (a Hinton, like I said, previously).I was alone and could have told them to come back on a weekday, but I felt sort of obligated to help them along, so I sat them down in the kind of chairs you have in college - single seaters and with a wooden tablet-like thing for putting your notepad on.

So, they're facing each other, maybe 3 feet apart, and I take the guy's blood first, plop the vial in the tray and I go to the girl. I get maybe 2 ccs of blood from her and I happened to look back and theres the guy leaning to his left, about to pass out and fall on the floor.

Quick like a bunny, I whip the tourniquet off, pull the needle from her arm and toss it all in the lab tray and catch the guy just before he falls off the chair. I put him more or less upright, and look back to the girl to tell her everything's ok, etc., and she starts to pass out. I catch her and the guy starts towards the floor.

Now, I am laughing, while I scoot back and forth with these two faint-hearted love birds. It becomes like a Keystone Kops movie, and by the time I have managed to get the 2 chairs side by side so I can tend to both patients simultaneously, I am almost collapsed in laughter.

The happy ending is they were both negative and are probably still married. (This all occurred ~1959-60, and I still smile about it.)

[thalbergmad]

Nice story, i guess a sense of humour is imperitave in a job like that.

Thal

[ahinton]

It's called a Hinton, and it's a test for syphilis. Google on it. Just thought I'd throw you off a bit. And I did. 

Well, I'm sure that we're all indebted to you for the imformation, though I have to counter that you did not at all "throw me off" - merely presented something of which I was unaware, which is why I asked you to clarify, which you kindly did. William Augustus Hinton (1883-1959) was apparently the first black professor at Harvard Medical School, where he taught preventative medicine and hygiene, as well as bacteriology and immunology and, as you imply, he worked on the detection and treatment of syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases and the two tests which you presumably have in mind are the Hinton test and the Davies-Hinton test.

Dr Hinton is not a relative of mine, by the way.

Although you have provided this information, you have not made it clear that there is - or indeed even that you perceive - any connection between this man's brilliant medical work and the kind of work that I do. The invitation to do so remains open to your imagination!

It is interesting what you get if you google the word hinton.

This is my favourite.

https://www.physorg.com/news75116939.html

Must be a relative.

Thal

I am sorry to have to disappoint you, but the Jay Hinton cited here is not a relative of mine either. Incidentally, when he is quoted as stating that
"Salmonella still kills a huge number of people"
he fails to add that Edwina Currie has not yet been one of them.

Best,

Alistair

[pianowolfi]

I can deny it no longer.
I am in love with Pianistimo

My pinky tells me that you're not the only one old boy

[pianolist]

It is interesting what you get if you google the word hinton.

Google is terrific, isn't it? Did you know that David and Samuel Thalberg set sail from Gravesend on 25th August 1884, en route to Brisbane on the steam ship, "Dorunda", arriving on 20th October? It doesn't say whether they were Prisoners Of Her Majesty or not, nor whether they ate kangaroo steaks when they got there. Probably had more sense.

Boy is this thread off topic!  Lots of love, Susan dear.

[barnowl]

Getting it back on track, sort of...

I'd like to write a poem about or to one of our girls here - other than the Pmeistress - but no other lady pours as much ink into this site as she, so it's difficult to get a line on any of them.

My poem would be humorous, not amatory, and maybe a little salacious, as well.
 

[ahinton]

Google is terrific, isn't it? Did you know that David and Samuel Thalberg set sail from Gravesend on 25th August 1884, en route to Brisbane on the steam ship, "Dorunda", arriving on 20th October? It doesn't say whether they were Prisoners Of Her Majesty or not, nor whether they ate kangaroo steaks when they got there. Probably had more sense.

Boy is this thread off topic!  Lots of love, Susan dear.

Indeed it is! But did you know that if you do the same to "pianistimo", not every entry comes up - as one might expect - with the URL www.pianostreet. etc.?

So - shall we all get back to "romantic confusion" now, or has this entire thread run its own gauntlet by "virtue" of having embraced early 20th-century syphilitic research, roo steaks and salmonella?

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Google is terrific, isn't it? Did you know that David and Samuel Thalberg set sail from Gravesend on 25th August 1884, en route to Brisbane on the steam ship, "Dorunda", arriving on 20th October? It doesn't say whether they were Prisoners Of Her Majesty or not, nor whether they ate kangaroo steaks when they got there. Probably had more sense.

Boy is this thread off topic!  Lots of love, Susan dear.

Fascinating, my favourite composer and town where i live.

Rimsky-Korsakov came to Gravesend in 1844 and had pint at the "Three Daws" which is still there.

Thal

PS  Pianolist - me smells double accounting

[pianowolfi]

PS  Pianolist - me smells double accounting

Who two? Me and pianolist?

[pianolist]

Well, I did once have a Swiss account, but it wasn't a bank account. I paid in my monthly pittance to the post office in Basel.

Speaking of romantic confusion, there was a rather gorgeous librarian in Basel, but I expect she is married with kids these days. I was not privy to her bra arrangements, though. When I was at secondary school, before my voice broke, I used to play women's parts in the school plays. We used to roll up socks and stuff them into our vests, to simulate the mammaries. But the socks used to work their way into the middle, so one looked like a Cyclops in the boob department.  Eventually my dear old mum bought me a padded bra, which I wore for the last female part I acted.

Any other chaps ever worn bras? Alistair? Thal? Wolfi? Barnowl?

[leucippus]

~~~

Romantic confusion
is just an illusion
by those who refuse
to accept their infusion

Two married people
are really a couple
who must work very hard
to keep their relationship supple 

Send him an email
give him a kiss
don't wait for him
to bestow all the bliss

Don't wait for attention
and sit idly by
life is too short
to let it pass by

Believe in yourself
and stir the emotions
be the bewitched
who has all the potions

Be part of a duo
and stir up the pot
don't wait for the other
who simply may not

~~~

(Leucippus 9/27/06)


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[ahinton]

Rimsky-Korsakov came to Gravesend in 1844 and had pint at the "Three Daws" which is still there.

Thal

Your information here makes it abundantly clear that no one cared a fig about under-age drinking in those days and, for that matter, 1844 being the year of Rimsky's birth, one may likewise suppose that "a pint at the "Three Daws"" was generally considered to be a beneficial and otherwise acceptable alternative to mothers' milk...

Oh, wait abit - did you mean that the pint (rather than the pub) is still there?...

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

when my computer is down, i feel deranged.  i sort of of knew there might be a lot of 'catching up' today.  wow.  tessie two backs?, hinton test, sock stuffing, double accounting - these are all ponderous things.  i suppose the first thing i thought when thal mentioned his old girlfriend was that thal must be a kind person.  there's somewhere in the bible that mentions the 'spiritual man/woman' being renewed day by day.  that he looks on the heart of a person and not their physical looks so much.  in our society - looks are sort of a defining characteristic as to how much attention one gets.  but, often very nice people are overlooked.  although a lot of models seem to get attention by being anorexic.

i think when i was 13, some guy told me i had my bra on backwards.  i was so mad at him, but never said anything back.  nowdays, there must be something in the milk (people say growth hormones) as my daughter who is barely 12 is stacked already.  one radio show i heard said that girls develop faster now and some do because they lack a father/daughter relationship and it's a biological thing to protect themselves or something.  the thing is, with my daughter - she's very close to her dad and i think it's done the opposite.  i never worry when they go out to movies and stuff - because i know she's just eating popcorn and having a good time.  no guy is hitting on her yet. 

this all is too profound.  i'd say that if anyone grew up like me - looking in awe at the girls in school and wondering what happened to themselves - take heart.  i was a very skinny tall girl.  often mistaken for model or whatever and accentuated my legs.  but, girls, take heart - when you have a baby these things are solved.  and the more children you have the bigger they seem to get.  when i had my son - i purposely wore cleavage material as it was the first time i really had definable cleavage.  now, it's like i'm glad i wasn't huge in the beginning because the weight of it all can add up as you get older.  if you're smaller to start with - your boobs dont' droop much when you get bigger.  if you start big and get bigger - you've got droopiness to contend with.  that's my two cents.

and, i think teens that are 18-24 should not even think about breast enlargement (plastic surgery) until they are sure what they are going to do in terms of a family.  i think breasts are partly for attraction and partly for feeding a baby.  if they are uncomfortably large and weighty - or sore from surgery - they don't really help feeding a child.  and, if you're going to get 'natural' breast enlargement from pregnancy - why pay for it?! 

sometimes i think - why do bra sizes even matter.  men don't typically go around measure their 'thingy' and commenting on the size do they?  well, some might.  but, typically it isn't a defining feature of a man.  it's the same with breasts.  but, secretly it is used in advertising everywhere.  even in the parking lot of the mall here.  i always part at 34B instead of 44C or D.  i think that typically women are prone to park where they are most comfortable.  of course, timothy42b has an obvious preference for something?!  i hope it's not sock stuffing.  nowdays they have these gel things for people who've had cancer.  i think it might be a little disappointing if a person didn't have cancer and used them to add a few more sizes.  perhaps they like to confound men as they don't seem to concentrate when 'headlights' are headed at them.

how did rimsky-korsakov get into all this?  oh.  underage drinking.  mother's milk.  i see.  leucippus had some great points in his poem about not waiting for attention.  i liked that poem very much. maybe i will frame it.  it's kinda true for both.  husbands are always waiting for the next *, and women are oblivious when tired.  i think it takes staying somewhat healthy.  you have to pay attention to yourselves, your diet - your exercise.  it all adds up to being attractive, imo.  if you feel good, you feel sexy.   reading about '10 things men wished women knew about sex'  from cosmo enlighted me somewhat - but i think in the back of my head i already knew it.  when will they have a women's magazine that has the same article in reverse?  actually, i think my husband is more 'experimentative' that me - but i think i shall (upon leucippus suggestion) think about surprising him in an untypical spot.  we once tried the back seat of the car - but it didn't work out well for one of our legs.  occasionally, when bicycling we notice beautiful hidden spots.  wondering what park rangers do when they come upon mysterious patches of flat grass.  probably attribute it to deer.   

[pianowolfi]

Any other chaps ever worn bras? Alistair? Thal? Wolfi? Barnowl?

Nevahhh!

[ahinton]

Any other chaps ever worn bras? Alistair? Thal? Wolfi? Barnowl?

Not guilty personally; can't speak for the others, however (although I'm quite sure that they can - and will - speak for themselves before too long)...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Your information here makes it abundantly clear that no one cared a fig about under-age drinking in those days and, for that matter, 1844 being the year of Rimsky's birth, one may likewise suppose that "a pint at the "Three Daws"" was generally considered to be a beneficial and otherwise acceptable alternative to mothers' milk...

Oh, wait abit - did you mean that the pint (rather than the pub) is still there?...

Best,

Alistair

Sorry old chap, got the year wrong.

https://gravesendkent.quickseek.com/

Under "other points of interest"

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Any other chaps ever worn bras? Alistair? Thal? Wolfi? Barnowl?

Yes, went to a fancy dress party as Jane Russell.

Thal

[ahinton]

Sorry old chap, got the year wrong.

https://gravesendkent.quickseek.com/

Under "other points of interest"

Thal

OK - so, never mind. This brings about another interest for me (albeit something of a side one in the present context). The piece to which you refer runs

"During the time General Gordon was in Gravesend (1865-71) the composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov was an officer in the Russian Navy and was posted to Gravesend, where he wrote part of his first symphony, said to be the first ever such style of composition attempted by a Russian composer."

Now, leaving aside any question of the specific accuracy of that statement, I have been asked to contribute a chapter to a forthcoming book on Elgar the symphonist; I have just completed said contribution and sent it off. Although what I am about to mention is not part of my brief for it (which is Elgar's Third Symphony as realised by Anthony Payne), I should mention that Elgar apparently planned a symphonic work on the life of General Gordon, although, as far as I know, not even sketches for it are known to exist (which said, the contributor who will be writing about this particular subject in said book may well disprove what I've just written here).

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

rank plagarism.  did you know that at the age of 22, sir edward elgar took up the post as bandmaster of the Worcester County Lunatic Asylyum.  i'm not saying that it's anything definative about his composition.  rather - having composed something as beautiful as 'pomp and circumstance' he is very highly rated and played more often than rimsky-korsokov at graduation ceremonies.

i do not know what earned him the title 'sir.'  as far as i know, rimsky-korsokov never got that distinction.  of course, in russia they don't even have it.

did you know that the hit track 'clubbed to death' by rob dougan features a sound track partially based on the enigma variations?  it was used in the movie 'The Matrix.'

ps  i like elgar very much.  especially since he adored dvorak and often listened to his symphonies.

[ahinton]

rank plagarism.

What is?

did you know that at the age of 22, sir edward elgar took up the post as bandmaster of the Worcester County Lunatic Asylyum.

No - but, more to the point, did he himself know this?...

i'm not saying that it's anything definative about his composition.

Oh, well - that's a relief; one hesitates to imagine what you might have thought it would otherwise have "said" about it"...

rather - having composed something as beautiful as 'pomp and circumstance' he is very highly rated and played more often than rimsky-korsokov at graduation ceremonies.
By which you mean which one/s? - Elgar completed five marches with the title "Pomp and Circumstance" and his incomplete Sixth has recently been realised by Anthony Payne and premièred at this year's BBC Promenade concerts in London. Quite waht point you intend to convey by citing Rimsky-Korsakov(sp.) in this particular self-adopted context is well beyond me...

i do not know what earned him the title 'sir.'

I wouldn't worry about that if I were you; what "earns" that title these days is even less obvious to most people in UK than was the case in Elgar's day...

as far as i know, rimsky-korsokov never got that distinction.  of course, in russia they don't even have it.

I rather think that you've answered your own non-question there...

did you know that the hit track 'clubbed to death' by rob dougan features a sound track partially based on the enigma variations?  it was used in the movie 'The Matrix.'

No, I didn't - and it was probably just as well that Elgar didn't have any kind of premonition of this, either - although if any part of the royalties generated from its use helped to enable the Elgar Will Trust officially to commission Anthony Payne to complete his realisation of Elgar's Third Symphony (which he'd almost done in any case by the time that commission came), then it was not entirely devoid of useful outcome, methinks...

Best,

Alistair

[pianolist]

Yes, went to a fancy dress party as Jane Russell.

Good on you, brother. You must have used a lot of socks.

[pianistimo]

thanks for the info on payne and elgar.  it is interesting.  just playing devil's advocate.  next time i am at barnes and noble i will listen to some elgar.  i don't recall listening to him that much.

[thalbergmad]

What is?
what "earns" that title these days is even less obvious to most people in UK than was the case in Elgar's day...

I can see it now.

Sir ahinton. Knighted for services to copyright and long forum posts.

Thal

[ahinton]

I can see it now.

Sir ahinton. Knighted for services to copyright and long forum posts.

Thal

Very amusing, I'm sure, but what you may "see" is subject to a number of considerations, so is by no means as cut and dried as you appear to assume. First of all, I have provided no services to copyright at all, as far as I know; I have never worked for or campaigned on behalf of any intellectual property rights organisation or any rights holders (other than meself - and if one seeks to secure a knighthood for self-serving, one has first to have an established career as a politician, not as a musician like me). Secondly, there are quite a few other people who have contributed longer forum posts than I (although even if long forum posts were an accepted qualification for recommendation for a knighthood in UK - which I'm well certain is not the case - it may be true that some of the other posters of lengthy items are not British and would therefore not be eligible for this dubious honour in any case). Thirdly, even if a knighthood is offered to any person for services to anything, that person has first to accept it before it takes effect - and I can no more imagine accepting such an "honour" than I can imagine being offered one in the first place.

Best,

Alistair