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Offline chuck kovsky

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help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
« on: September 23, 2006, 09:33:07 PM »
how does the fingering on the first RH phrase go?
(I mean the 7 notes: G#, A, G#, G, G#, C#, E, D#, C#, D#, C#, B#, C#, E, G#)
need your help badly- can't find the exact fingering nowhere! either I find no fingering or partial fingering.

really hope you can help

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 09:48:39 AM »

Try 2 3 2 1 2 3 5 4 2 3 2 1 2 3 4

That's what I use anyway.


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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 08:36:23 PM »
Try 2 3 2 1 2 3 5 4 2 3 2 1 2 3 4

That's what I use anyway.


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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 10:00:29 AM »
Try 2 3 2 1 2 3 5 4 2 3 2 1 2 3 4

That's what I use anyway.


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I also use that.

There is a slight variation:

2 3 2 1 2 3 5 3 2 3 2 1 2 3 4
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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 04:52:56 PM »
thank you all...
By the way, if you play by the fingering indicated on the music sheet the last 2 fingers are 4,5 (E,G#)and not 3,4.
If everybody you know uses that fingering, I shall assume that it's the most comfortable one, but from what I understood it is best to use the fingering indicated on the music sheet. The folks who arrange the fingering must know what their doing...? don't they?

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 11:42:57 PM »
I'd use:
 
2 3 2 1 2 3 5 3 2 3 2 1 2 3 5

(basically same as the others already suggested)
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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #6 on: September 25, 2006, 11:54:07 PM »
In all objectivity, and pure basics of hand movement, I'd say the best fingering, for sound and clarity/eveness, would be 2 3 2 1 2 3 5 4 2 3 2 1 2 3 5.  That is objectively. Obviously, some people will have taken habits of doing differently, and will think this one sucks, but if you had to relearn it, to be perfectly even and get the best sound out of it, I think that fingering is the best.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 12:27:43 PM »
Hmmm... Am I the only one who like it this way?:

132124531321235

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 01:28:10 PM »
mine is....
212123532321235

i find it most comfortable for me~

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 11:40:59 PM »
I actually use 232124532321235...

...but do what you are most comfortable with.

Hmmm... Am I the only one who like it this way?:

132124531321235

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I've never seen that one before.  :)

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #10 on: September 27, 2006, 04:48:37 AM »
r_a_y,

Are you by any chance a contortionist by night (or day depending on what your profession is)? :D Just kidding, but putting the thumb under the hand would be a tad difficult for me.

I actually use 232124532321235...

...but do what you are most comfortable with.

I've never seen that one before.  :)

I do it that way because of tension in the hand. If I use 23212... etc my hand would be pretty still and with the repeated G# and later C# (alternating), tension would build up. It's like playing repeated notes and after the first few hits you just miss the rest.

Playing G# with the thumb (followed by A with 3) and then 2 will make my fingers move in a contract-then-expand manner. This constantly changing shape of the hand (contracting and then expanding) actually prevents tension from building up.

This is just an extension of the rule to use different fingers on repeated notes. Try playing the repeated notes in Mendelssohn's Scherzo in E minor Op. 16 No. 2 with the same finger and you'll see what I mean.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #11 on: September 27, 2006, 07:03:18 AM »
a common problem i think for the 232123532321235 is the repeated 3232. that causes a lot of unevenness, unfortunately. as said before, 232123542321235 is probably a better fingering.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #12 on: October 01, 2006, 04:17:46 PM »
here's mine:

132123531321235
i'm not asian

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #13 on: October 02, 2006, 04:36:57 PM »
I do it that way because of tension in the hand. If I use 23212... etc my hand would be pretty still and with the repeated G# and later C# (alternating), tension would build up. It's like playing repeated notes and after the first few hits you just miss the rest.

Playing G# with the thumb (followed by A with 3) and then 2 will make my fingers move in a contract-then-expand manner. This constantly changing shape of the hand (contracting and then expanding) actually prevents tension from building up.

This is just an extension of the rule to use different fingers on repeated notes. Try playing the repeated notes in Mendelssohn's Scherzo in E minor Op. 16 No. 2 with the same finger and you'll see what I mean.

Now it makes more sense--it would have been much stranger if you had picked that fingering just on some whim.   ;)   

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 12:26:26 AM »
I taught myself the FI from sight reading, and didn't take much notice of the recommended fingering (I was using the repeated fingers on the same note).  Once I had it up to speed, I was having problems with the evenness and control - it would progessively get faster as I kept pace with the notes that I didn't realise I was playing too quickly because of this fingering.

I went back through very carefully and noticed the recommeded fingering (with the changes between the 2/3 or 1/2 in various places) and tried it out.  Instantly, the piece was under control.  It was also amazing how much more comfortable my hand felt - as cellodude said, the tension goes and the hand feels still and rested.  Such a difference!

So, having learnt it both ways, I strongly recommend the change of fingers.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006, 03:56:27 AM »
the hardest part about his peice for me is the third chromatic scale, the long one. Whenever i play it in public i always mess that up
i'm not asian

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #16 on: October 07, 2006, 07:13:30 AM »
I do 2 3 2 1 2 4 3 2 3 2 1 2 3 5

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #17 on: October 08, 2006, 06:43:36 AM »
mine is:
 43124543432345.

uh... i just can play that row. the second, i can't. to hard.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #18 on: October 13, 2006, 11:01:01 AM »
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(I was using the repeated fingers on the same note).
...

Surely you meant 'same finger on the repeated notes'!  ;)

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #19 on: October 13, 2006, 11:06:12 AM »
the hardest part about his peice for me is the third chromatic scale, the long one. Whenever i play it in public i always mess that up

I use 4321 321 321 4321 321 4321 321 4321 321. I can play it faster this way than using the 31321313213131... fingering.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #20 on: October 13, 2006, 12:19:51 PM »
how does the fingering on the first RH phrase go?
(I mean the 7 notes: G#, A, G#, G, G#, C#, E, D#, C#, D#, C#, B#, C#, E, G#)
need your help badly- can't find the exact fingering nowhere! either I find no fingering or partial fingering.

really hope you can help


You did an error in the notes .. the 5th one isnt a G# but a C#, so in fact you added a G# wich isnt there ...

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #21 on: October 14, 2006, 01:11:50 PM »
Try 2 3 2 1 2 3 5 4 2 3 2 1 2 3 4

That's what I use anyway.


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The only difference between yours and mine is the one above. I use 232123543431234.

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #22 on: October 14, 2006, 01:20:10 PM »
I use 4321 321 321 4321 321 4321 321 4321 321. I can play it faster this way than using the 31321313213131... fingering.

TTFN (Ta Ta For Now)

dennis lee

i don't use the fingering suggested but use 432123232323232323232....

using 131313 sounds hard
i'm not asian

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #23 on: October 14, 2006, 01:26:11 PM »
You did an error in the notes .. the 5th one isnt a G# but a C#, so in fact you added a G# wich isnt there ...

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Re: help- Fantaisie Impromptu's fingering
«Reply #24 on: October 16, 2006, 01:27:02 PM »
i use 212123542321245, i sincerely think its the best way to go alternating between  D# and C#-- with 4232 so then you can just slide through the last part of the passage.