Mozart and Keith Jarrett

[presto agitato]

What a great pianist Jarrett used to be¡¡¡

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-PsWkCIxzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL9aEdOT_6s&mode=related&search=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4i8G2USqe4&mode=related&search=

Enjoy

[thierry13]

What a great pianist Jarrett used to be¡¡¡

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-PsWkCIxzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL9aEdOT_6s&mode=related&search=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4i8G2USqe4&mode=related&search=

Enjoy

I don't know if you see it, but you're kinda the only one on this forum bringing up topics about him ... he was a good jazz pianist and did sucky classical. He isn't comparable to great pianists.

[thierry13]

The worst is that he plays the Mozart concerto with the sheet music ... OMG ...

[presto agitato]

I don't know if you see it, but you're kinda the only one on this forum bringing up topics about him ... he was a good jazz pianist and did sucky classical. He isn't comparable to great pianists.

I think you are the only person in the forum who believes that Jarrett was a weak pianist in the classical field.

[mephisto]

The worst is that he plays the Mozart concerto with the sheet music ... OMG ...

Iidiot

[mikey6]

Was better than I expected - well better than the duet with Chick Corea which ain't too good.  But to me, it's rather romantic playing.

[brahmsian]

The worst is that he plays the Mozart concerto with the sheet music ... OMG ...

Richter plays Mozart concertos with music...

It doesn't mean he's a bad pianist by any means

[thierry13]

Richter plays Mozart concertos with music...

It doesn't mean he's a bad pianist by any means

He played with sheet music only at the end of his life because he had memory problems(caused by age). He didnt only play mozart with sheet music.

[thierry13]

I think you are the only person in the forum who believes that Jarrett was a weak pianist in the classical field.

Yeah, I was the only one to think Dante sonata was harder than franck Prelude chorale and fugue too 

[brahmsian]

He played with sheet music only at the end of his life because he had memory problems(caused by age). He didnt only play mozart with sheet music.

Fair enough.

I dunno, personally I don't find playing with sheet music to be a problem when it comes to long works such as concertos or difficult works that are tough to memorize.

[thierry13]

Fair enough.

I dunno, personally I don't find playing with sheet music to be a problem when it comes to long works such as concertos or difficult works that are tough to memorize.

Thats not the point, the point is that 8 years old kids play that kind of concerto without sheet music ... and there is not a great pianist that played any kind of pieces with sheet music, and they had HUGE repertoire, that is when they were in good mental health. He isnt BAD ... but he simply isnt a great classical pianist. Hes an amateur classical pianist, at most.

[ihatepop]

Iidiot

Whats an Iidiot  ??

ihatepop

[mephisto]

It's the finnish word for idiot.

Anyway, I have a documentary about Hamelin and he plays EVERTHING with sheetmusic:

7 Chopin/Godowsky etudes, Medtner Romantic sonata and Rzewski's people.... variations.

Yeah he is bad

Of course the music is more complex, but still.

[thierry13]

It's the finnish word for idiot.

Anyway, I have a documentary about Hamelin and he plays EVERTHING with sheetmusic:

7 Chopin/Godowsky etudes, Medtner Romantic sonata and Rzewski's people.... variations.

Yeah he is bad

Of course the music is more complex, but still.

That was only for the documentary, he plays all without sheet music normally. I have videos of him playing Chopgodz all without sheet music.

[mephisto]

One of these is true:

1. He knows the Rzewski variations by hearth but is afraid of a memory lapse.
2. He hasn't memorized it(the piece is almost 1 hour long!).

It has nothing to do with the documentary.


About the Godowsky etudes, I do also have vids of him playing Godowsky etudes without sheet-music. The reason is probably because he doesn't know ALL of them by hearh.

[thierry13]

One of these is true:

1. He knows the Rzewski variations by hearth but is afraid of a memory lapse.
2. He hasn't memorized it(the piece is almost 1 hour long!).

It has nothing to do with the documentary.


About the Godowsky etudes, I do also have vids of him playing Godowsky etudes without sheet-music. The reason is probably because he doesn't know ALL of them by hearh.

Maybe not all, but most of them, yes. And for the Rzewski i'm positive it is option 1. BTW, Hamelin as an infinitely huger repertoire than Jarrett, and he played things WAY more complex than a Mozart concerto. Like I mentionned before, 7 years old kids play this kind of concerto without the sheet music. I would have understand sheet music for, say Rach 3/4 ... or another huge concerto ... but a Mozart concerto ... this guy is a joke. Mozart concertos aren't a joke ... that's not what I meant. The notes are just ******* easy to learn and remember. That's why he was NOT a great pianist (by that I mean in the league of Horowitz, richter,hamelin, Argerich, etc.)

[brahmsian]

That's why he was NOT a great pianist (by that I mean in the league of Horowitz, richter,hamelin, Argerich, etc.)

No one ever said he was. He's definetly not in the same league as Horowitz, that doesn't mean he's a bad pianist.

One's pianistic prowess should be defined by how well they play the piano, not how well they can memorize works. Its possible someone can't memorize a single thing and still have a genius interpretation (not that I'm saying Jarrett falls into this category, his performance was mediochre at best, just that the standard for judging whether one is "good" or "bad" shouldn't be determined by whether they have to play with sheet music in front of them or not)

[thierry13]

No one ever said he was. He's definetly not in the same league as Horowitz, that doesn't mean he's a bad pianist.

Presto agitato said he was a great pianist. I didn't say it made him a bad pianist. To make it short, you said the same thing than me ... just in a less harsh way, that's why you're not getting argued  Anyways, that's the only thing I was trying to say : he is NOT by any mean a GREAT pianist.

[thierry13]

I think you are the only person in the forum who believes that Jarrett was a weak pianist in the classical field.

(not that I'm saying Jarrett falls into this category, his performance was mediochre at best,

Enough said.

[lau]

It's the finnish word for idiot.

i have finnish heritage...  get in the ruskgottabellica dicter.

not sure if that's correct (at all)

[presto agitato]

He is NOT by any mean a GREAT pianist.

Well thats your opinion fool. Read this idiot:

Keith Jarrett’s musical artistry is characterised by his ability to effortlessly cross boundaries in
the world of music.

Keith Jarrett began playing the piano at the tender age of three. He gave his first solo concerts as a child, touring with both classical works and his own compositions. His musical journeys have
always transcended borders, as in his early trio recordings with their influences from blues,
ragtime, gospel, folk music, pop and art music. In the late 1960’s, his pioneering efforts with the
Charles Lloyd Quartet contributed towards breaking down the barriers between jazz and rock
music. He followed up this musical fusion as a member of Miles Davis’ ground-breaking band,
this time in a more electrified form.
In “Spirits” (1985), in which all the instruments are played by Jarrett himself, the music moves
into a limitless landscape of tones from distant times and worlds.

Keith Jarrett, who has found his natural home on the ECM label since the 1970’s, has expressed
himself over the years in the context of both jazz and compositions for various chamber music
ensembles and orchestra.

Through a series of brilliant solo performances and recordings that demonstrate his utterly
spontaneous creativity, Keith Jarrett has simultaneously lifted piano improvisation as an art form
to new, unimaginable heights.

In the 1980’s, Keith Jarrett worked with his trio project, “Standards”, and turned the spotlight on
“The Great American Songbook”. Together with bass player, Gary Peacock, and drummer, Jack
DeJohnette, his further development of the art of group improvisation, in what can only be
described as chamber music forms, has been completely outstanding.
As a classical interpreter, Keith Jarrett has given us masterly versions of J.S. Bach, Handel,
Mozart, Shostakovich and Pärt. As a pianist, he is unique in his position of being one of the
foremost in both the worlds of jazz and classical music.

In 2003 Jarrett won the Polar Music Prize (Nobel Prize of Music). He has benn the only pianist in the world who has got such a honor.

[thierry13]

I've got only one thing to say : that's a critic ... Get over it, he was great only in Jazz.