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Offline rimv2

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Is it me......
on: October 17, 2006, 07:48:51 AM
or does it really seem like all the leaders of the modern world have an affinity for conflict.


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Offline debussy symbolism

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 12:05:07 AM
Greetings.

Interesting point, although it might be more plausible to say that conflict has a natural affinity with world leaders. The world leaders are not much different than "normal" people, and conflict is generally devided equally amongst all people, to some degree. Each leader wants peace and prosper for everyone, and naturally, that draws conflict.

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 12:16:46 AM
Conflict is what happens when each one does what is right in his own eyes. It was product of the fall. Its not really just the modern world although due to increases in communication and archiving we know alot more of the conflicts in more reccent times.

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 12:21:09 AM
Conflict is what happens when each one does what is right in his own eyes. It was product of the fall. Its not really just the modern world although due to increases in communication and archiving we know alot more of the conflicts in more reccent times.

good points pianowelsh!   I totally agree....especially about communications...things have always been happening, we just hear about it more now.....sometime i think we have too many ways of communication....life was simpler when we didn't know everything!

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 09:31:15 AM
or does it really seem like all the leaders of the modern world have an affinity for conflict.


https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6057718.stm


I disagree completely. Look back in history and there were many leaders that had an affinity for conflict. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great and Napoleon I Bonaparte to name a few. The difference is that major advancements in weapon technology have allowed small, utterly insignificant countries to have the influence they don't deserve. If Noth Korea was a person they would be imprisoned for extortion.

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 09:44:42 AM
The difference is that major advancements in weapon technology have allowed small, utterly insignificant countries to have the influence they don't deserve.

The influence they don't deserve? So all countries but the bigguns must tremble in fear all the time without having the right to defend themselves, or be a threat themselves? That's kinda... country-ist... :P
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Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 10:10:15 AM
The influence they don't deserve? So all countries but the bigguns must tremble in fear all the time without having the right to defend themselves, or be a threat themselves? That's kinda... country-ist... :P

What is North Korea defending themself against?

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 07:36:50 PM
What is North Korea defending themself against?

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 08:32:36 PM
McDonalds
Are you certain of that? I mean, can you be absolutely sure that there is no branch of McDonalds in Pyongyang? (for Kim Jong Il is, after all, quite obese in his appearance)...

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Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 09:03:21 PM
Are you certain of that? I mean, can you be absolutely sure that there is no branch of McDonalds in Pyongyang? (for Kim Jong Il is, after all, quite obese in his appearance)...

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No proof, but there is not even one in Thurso, so i doubt if there is one on Pyongyang.

I think McDonalds is more dangerous than Bush. They are opening outlets all over the world, turning kids into fatties.

They are the real terrorists.

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Reply #10 on: October 18, 2006, 09:57:11 PM
No proof, but there is not even one in Thurso, so i doubt if there is one on Pyongyang.

I think McDonalds is more dangerous than Bush. They are opening outlets all over the world, turning kids into fatties.

They are the real terrorists.

Thal
You may well be right; there's at least one in Mongolia these days, apparently...

Wouldn't touch a Mac with  barge pole; I prefer food, meself (preferably with some decent vin...)

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Reply #11 on: October 18, 2006, 10:10:15 PM
Yes, good and proper food is great! Cook me a bolognese or make me an excellently dressed salad any day!
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Re: Is it me......
Reply #12 on: October 18, 2006, 10:42:43 PM
McDonalds

You could be right. It explains why they are developing weapons of Mac destruction.

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #13 on: October 18, 2006, 11:01:02 PM
In Meriden, Connecticut, there's a Burger King done up like the Bayeux Tapestry. Here's a picture. I can put up with a few quarter pounders if they welcome me in like this.

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Re: Is it me......
Reply #14 on: October 18, 2006, 11:35:40 PM
or does it really seem like all the leaders of the modern world have an affinity for conflict.



It's the nature of international relations.

According to the Marxist dialectic, conflict is what drives change. Without conflict you can't have progress, for better or worse.

This theory underlies the notion of violent revolution as an instrument of change and explains the motivation of revolutionaries. If you examine history you'll observe that times of social, political and economic upheaval have been followed by significant change.

This isn't just a political concept. If you consider the big changes in your life they have probably been triggered by some sort of convulsion or trauma as well.

IMOD I am not advocating marxist revolution as an instrument of progress so no need to jump on me for being a pinko commie rat  ;)

Just presenting a possible answer to your post.
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Re: Is it me......
Reply #15 on: October 18, 2006, 11:47:45 PM
I shouldn't imagine there is a MacDonalds in Pyongyang..Im reliably informed there are non in Iran '.' I daresay several other countries too.  I think the issue is that they are often considered insignificant countries by the super powers and thats why they want to be armed - so they are not taken advantage of.  The North Korea situation is a very complexed one..I shall only say that the super powers may indeed have very good cause to want to look behind North Koreas iron shower curtain..by all accounts there's some none to pretty stuff goes on there..which i believe most people would consider infringements of civil liberties..Im sure it could be hotly debated. There are no insignificant countries in the world though. Some are stronger some weaker, some wise some more impulsive but they all have a place.  Its greed and self seeking that tends to upset the balance of power.  As i said a product of the fall.

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Reply #16 on: October 18, 2006, 11:48:14 PM
It's the nature of international relations.

According to the Marxist dialectic, conflict is what drives change. Without conflict you can't have progress, for better or worse.

This theory underlies the notion of violent revolution as an instrument of change and explains the motivation of revolutionaries. If you examine history you'll observe that times of social, political and economic upheaval have been followed by significant change.

This isn't just a political concept. If you consider the big changes in your life they have probably been triggered by some sort of convulsion or trauma as well.

IMOD I am not advocating marxist revolution as an instrument of progress so no need to jump on me for being a pinko commie rat  ;)

Just presenting a possible answer to your post.

Glad to hear that you're not a "pinko commie rat" (not that I had for one moment assumed to to be anywhing of the sort"); what you write makes good sense, however - especially when one makes a point (if need be) of avoiding priuor association with those outmoded "leftie" references to which you draw attention en passant.

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Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 11:49:50 PM
I shouldn't imagine there is a MacDonalds in Pyongyang..Im reliably informed there are non in Iran '.' I daresay several other countries too.  I think the issue is that they are often considered insignificant countries by the super powers and thats why they want to be armed - so they are not taken advantage of.  The North Korea situation is a very complexed one..I shall only say that the super powers may indeed have very good cause to want to look behind North Koreas iron shower curtain..by all accounts there's some none to pretty stuff goes on there..which i believe most people would consider infringements of civil liberties..Im sure it could be hotly debated. There are no insignificant countries in the world though. Some are stronger some weaker, some wise some more impulsive but they all have a place.  Its greed and self seeking that tends to upset the balance of power.  As i said a product of the fall.
So it'll all be OK come spring, then?...

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Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 12:06:04 AM
Glad to hear that you're not a "pinko commie rat" (not that I had for one moment assumed to to be anywhing of the sort");


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Re: Is it me......
Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 07:36:05 AM
I disagree completely. Look back in history and there were many leaders that had an affinity for conflict. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great and Napoleon I Bonaparte to name a few. The difference is that major advancements in weapon technology have allowed small, utterly insignificant countries to have the influence they don't deserve. If Noth Korea was a person they would be imprisoned for extortion.

Just to clarify:

I use modern world because today's leaders now tread close to human annihilation, as opposed to the usual genecide. They know the stakes, and yet some remain belligerent and/or stubborn. There is no, we nuke you --we win. It's, we nuke you -- you nuke us -- we all die!!!
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Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 07:54:44 PM
You could be right. It explains why they are developing weapons of Mac destruction.

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Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 11:19:34 PM
I thought my jokes were bad ...

You said it, brother.
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