Gathering pieces with a specific technique?

[sissco]

I have read a lot, and I mean a lot, in this pianostreet  Gathering information, making my own practise plan etc. etc. Just what everybody is doing here  I have a huge list of pieces I want to play. The idea is to play them all, start easy and build your technique like that. Actually Bernhards whole idea. But if I want to play some staccato, or improve my arpeggios? I want to play a piece with a lot of staccato etc. Like Bernhard says, a normal piece has a lot of techniques in one. But there are of course pieces with a lot of staccato. Is it an idea to make a list of them? Lets name pieces with a lot of arpeggios, staccato, trills etc. ect. Of each level...
We can focus on staccato now, because that is why I started this thread  But maybe there is already one...:

Staccato:

Mendelssohn - Fantasie Op. 16 No. 2
Heller - Etude Op. 47 No. 22
Schumann - Kinderszenen Op. 15 No. 3
Rachmaninoff - Etude Op. 33 No. 8
Grieg - Lyric Piece Op. 71 No. 3

I am sure there are better ones, but it is pretty hard to name it like this.

[ksnmohan]

What about

Haydn -  Sonata No.33 in C minor
Franz Liszt  - Sonata in B Minor

Prof K S (Mohan) Narayanan

[_____]

Liszt sonata, what?

[ksnmohan]

Permit me to quote from

1) Review by Allen Linkowski
American Record Guide, May/June 1998

Ernst Levy - 2CD Anthology of Sonatas by Beethoven, Liszt etc

"Liszt's one-movement sonata is presented as the revolutionary work that its composer created, not as a technical tour de force designed to demonstrate a pianist's dexterity. Levy penetrates its mysteries as only a handful of pianists have been able to do. Listen to those opening low Bs. They are given their full weight -- not the clipped, meaningless staccatos offered by most pianists."



2) JSTOR: Liszt's B Minor Sonata

"Analytical studies of Liszt's sonata have been published elsewhere, with their divergent ... between dot and wedge to indicate staccatos in Liszt's sonata"

links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0027-4631(197407)60%3A3%3C435%3ATTOLBM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Z

 

[dnephi]

Liszt Sonata is not something to be trifled with, or to be lightly suggested.  Your comments are preposterous.  You might like some czerny etudes or something of that sort.  Liszt Sonata is technically, musically, and emotionally beyond most pianists. 

I havent' heard the Levy recording, but I can't say anything about it.

The opening b octaves should be like timpani.
(Kenneth B. Hamilton's "Sonata in B Minor.", from Cambridge Music Publications

""Analytical studies of Liszt's sonata have been published elsewhere, with their divergent ... between dot and wedge to indicate staccatos in Liszt's sonata"
"
According to the Literature of the Piano, Ernest Hutcheson, Liszt is the composer who with greatest care distinguished between his dots and wedges, with his wedges being harsher staccatos and his dots light.

Daniel Baker

[phil13]

Mendelssohn Scherzo in E minor

Phil

[ramseytheii]

Permit me to quote from

1) Review by Allen Linkowski
American Record Guide, May/June 1998

Ernst Levy - 2CD Anthology of Sonatas by Beethoven, Liszt etc

"Liszt's one-movement sonata is presented as the revolutionary work that its composer created, not as a technical tour de force designed to demonstrate a pianist's dexterity. Levy penetrates its mysteries as only a handful of pianists have been able to do. Listen to those opening low Bs. They are given their full weight -- not the clipped, meaningless staccatos offered by most pianists."

The Levy recording is incredible, I have it in .ram files but don't know how to convert it to mp3.  The opening Bs he plays with pedal, and hardly separates them.  This may sound strange, but when heard in context of the whole piece, I think he achieves a broadness and a sense of hugeness that no other pianist has achieved in this sonata.  When I first heard his performance, I thought, "I am listening to some X-rated movie."  It is that intense!

Walter Ramsey

[ksnmohan]

hallo ramseytheii,

There are plenty of free software downloads to convert .RAM to MP3. Please go on to the net.

Ofcourse paid softwares are also there from $ 20 onwards to the SOUNDFORGE at $ 300 (which at this price I am reluctant to recommend!)

Prof K S (Mohan) Narayanan
Chennai, India

[ksnmohan]

Hallo dnephi and ramseytheii,

Thanks for coming to my support against the comment made by a (unidentified ID) colleague  when I suggested Liszt's Sonata.

Understand that everyone will not be knowing all the works of great composers - they can request the Forum to provide more details. But making a flippant remark and  including the "f"   is against the very spirit of this Forum, where we discuss Music - which as per our Indian philopsophy is the 5th Veda, after the first 4 which form the basis of our heritage. And due reverence is to be given to the great composers.

Prof K S (Mohan) Narayanan
Chennai, India

[ramseytheii]

A while ago I had the idea (not so original it turned out) to make a Piano excerpts book, like all the orchestral instruments have.  This would be to highlight specific problems in piano technique, and it was going to feature the most common examples illustrating these problems (ie if you think of octave difficulties, you can include Tchaikovsky concerto excerpt, Brahms concerto excerpt, Dante sonata excerpt, etc).  It turns out this is too huge an undertaking to be accomplished by one person, if that person is me.  There are simply too many examples. 

My advise is to approach this from the opposite direction; instead of looking for pieces to fill categories, look for instances in pieces that create categories.  In other words start from the repertoire, not the categories.  Then the pieces that you actually learn will be linked in your mind, ie if you have a Scarlatti sonata with a lot of repeated notes, you can practice this in conjunction with the Ravel Alborado, or whatever.  This is how Godowsky practiced. I recommend it because not only do you approach problems more thoroughly, you are also constantly revising your memory in pieces you may not play so often.

Walter Ramsey

[nicco]

chopet 25\4 perhaps