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[ramseytheii]

First of all, does anyone know how long Scriabin 8th sonata lasts?  I think it is 8 minutes but can nay recall.
Here is an experimental program using just 1 mvmt sonatas:

Scarlatti (Selection) Lasting 10-15 minutes

Scriabin 8th Sonata 8 minutes?

Medtner Sonata Tragica 10 minutes

PAUSE

Liszt Sonata 30 minutes

Somehow it is too short, but I am afraid to overload the first half with too many composers.  Anyone have any ideas on this?  Are there any pieces on the second half that can precede the Liszt sonata?  Hopefully one movmt sonatas.  Considered Prokofiev 3rd, which wouldn't add too much time, but it doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

Walter Ramsey

[jre58591]

i like that recital. however, i think you should also try to squeeze in there a small beethoven sonata (also 1 movt) after the scarlatti. also, i would move the scriabin sonata after the medtner. and btw, scriabin's 8th sonata is about 12 min, going by hamelin's recording.

[sharon_f]

Raff wrote a one movement Fantasie-Sonata that is about 15 minutes long. You could do that in the first half with the Prokoiev 1st ( 8 minutes) and the Scriabin. Keep the Scarlatti for encores.

[kreso]

Raff wrote a one movement Fantasie-Sonata that is about 15 minutes long. You could do that in the first half with the Prokoiev 1st ( 8 minutes) and the Scriabin. Keep the Scarlatti for encores.

I agree-it is quite wierd to put Scarlatti at the begining and the right after big step to Scriabin and Medtner. Try Prokofiev maybe because you'll then get one-mvt-sonatas from Russian composers and in second half great Liszt work.. But I also think that Scralatti would not be a good choice after Liszt sonata-try sometinh romantic or modern...

[ramseytheii]

I agree-it is quite wierd to put Scarlatti at the begining and the right after big step to Scriabin and Medtner. Try Prokofiev maybe because you'll then get one-mvt-sonatas from Russian composers and in second half great Liszt work.. But I also think that Scralatti would not be a good choice after Liszt sonata-try sometinh romantic or modern...

Maybe you are right.  That makes a bit of a bigger problem though, because if I replace Scarlatti with Prokofiev I lose a lot of time.  You can play as many Scarlatti as you want, but Prokofiev 3rd sonata is only 6 minutes or something. Could I even possibly do, Scarlatti, Prokofiev, Scriabin, Medtner (or Medtner, Scriabin).  Or is that just too many composers.

Walter Ramsey

[pianistimo]

whilst attempting to help you - i got sidetracked by a composer by the name of louis vierne.  he composed 24 fantasy pieces (late 19th early 20th century).  anyways...he was a great improviser and it made me think of how one movement sonatas came to be.  lots of ideas - lots of improvising.

did you know this guy died at the organ?  apparently his foot came to rest on a low E and he keeled over (probably head on the upper keyboard).  i think it was the way he wanted to die.

back to your program.  yes. imo, beethoven is missing.  but, only the latter sonatas seem to be sorta one movementish.  now, with beethoven and mozart - didn't they do quite a bit of improvising as young people and some of the early stuff - although not called 'sonata' per se - would be something along the lines of a one movement sonata.  i suppose i'm thinking sonatinas.

[tds]

First of all, does anyone know how long Scriabin 8th sonata lasts?  I think it is 8 minutes but can nay recall.
Here is an experimental program using just 1 mvmt sonatas:

Scarlatti (Selection) Lasting 10-15 minutes

Scriabin 8th Sonata 8 minutes?

Medtner Sonata Tragica 10 minutes

PAUSE

Liszt Sonata 30 minutes

Somehow it is too short, but I am afraid to overload the first half with too many composers.  Anyone have any ideas on this?  Are there any pieces on the second half that can precede the Liszt sonata?  Hopefully one movmt sonatas.  Considered Prokofiev 3rd, which wouldn't add too much time, but it doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

Walter Ramsey

walter, r u good at mozart? if yes, how about this program?:

2 scarlatti sonatas

a mozart sonata

scriabin 8th sonata

medtner sonata tragica

intermission

( more liszt )

liszt sonata

[gruffalo]

walter, r u good at mozart? if yes, how about this program?:

2 scarlatti sonatas

a mozart sonata

scriabin 8th sonata

medtner sonata tragica

intermission

( more liszt )

liszt sonata

i like the plan for the first half, but i dont like the idea of liszt works before liszt sonata. i think some debussy or Ravel would get the audience in the right frame of mind for the liszt sonata. the french works tend to make the audience listen more instead of expecting technical feats.

Gruff

[viking]

Not sure if it would fit anywhere, but you could always add in Liszt's "Dante" Sonata

[pita bread]

Scriabin 8 is not 8 minutes long... think 13 or 14.

[ramseytheii]

Not sure if it would fit anywhere, but you could always add in Liszt's "Dante" Sonata

I liek the piece, but I don't think it would go well with the b minor.  What kind of pieces are good to program before the b minrio>  Any experience in these matters?

Walter Ramsey

[gruffalo]

I liek the piece, but I don't think it would go well with the b minor.  What kind of pieces are good to program before the b minrio>  Any experience in these matters?

Walter Ramsey

i mentioned the french composers before playing liszt.

Gruff

[ihatepop]

PAUSE

That should be intermission, but the programme seems fine. Wishing you all the best!

ihatepop

[pianowelsh]

I would query the wisdom of doing a whole programme of one movement sonatas. Or indeed a programme of one genre of any kind...but I think the suggestion of Prokofiev first sonata is a good one.  I would be inclined to do:
Scarlatti
Liszt- long and profound (good foil for more light and superficial scarlatti)
Interval
Medtner tragica- kick start
Scriabin 8
end with
Prokofiev one (rousing finale)

[ramseytheii]

I would query the wisdom of doing a whole programme of one movement sonatas. Or indeed a programme of one genre of any kind...but I think the suggestion of Prokofiev first sonata is a good one.  I would be inclined to do:
Scarlatti
Liszt- long and profound (good foil for more light and superficial scarlatti)
Interval
Medtner tragica- kick start
Scriabin 8
end with
Prokofiev one (rousing finale)

That's interesting!  But why do so many people suggest Prokofiev 1st rather than 3rd?  I much prefer the music of the 3rd.  Am I in the minority on this?
I didn't think to include the Liszt sonata in the first half.  I am curious to hear other people's ideas on this.

Walter Ramsey

[kreso]

That's interesting!  But why do so many people suggest Prokofiev 1st rather than 3rd?  I much prefer the music of the 3rd.  Am I in the minority on this?
I didn't think to include the Liszt sonata in the first half.  I am curious to hear other people's ideas on this.

Walter Ramsey

I like more 3rd sonata than 1st. I also think that Liszt Sonata is such masterpiece that is excellent for ending a concert. ( I have Yundi Li DVD with live recital and he plays Chopin 4 Scherzos in first and Liszt Sonata in the second. Also Lovro Pogorelich (Ivo's younger brother) played sonata in 2nd half, as well as many other pianists..)