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Topic: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3  (Read 3024 times)

Offline zhiliang

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Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
on: January 30, 2004, 09:23:05 AM
Hi everyone,

Anyone know whose recording of these famous 2 Piano sonatas should i get?

If what i am looking for is a recording that is so "polish" in its feeling? Maybe we are not sure whether "Polish" feels the same for every different ears but wel i guess everyone knows what i mean.  :)

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #1 on: January 30, 2004, 12:29:28 PM
I would recommend Martha Argerich if you can stand listening to a non-Pole,
Ed

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #2 on: January 30, 2004, 03:12:49 PM
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Hi everyone,

Anyone know whose recording of these famous 2 Piano sonatas should i get?

If what i am looking for is a recording that is so "polish" in its feeling? Maybe we are not sure whether "Polish" feels the same for every different ears but wel i guess everyone knows what i mean.  :)

 For the 2nd Sonata: Kapell, Argerich, Rachmaninoff, Horowitz, Pogorelich, and I'll even throw in a Polish pianist, Adam Haracewicz.
 For the 3rd Sonata: Kapell

Zhiliang

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #3 on: January 30, 2004, 06:49:38 PM
I don't know if his playing is polish, but I do recommend Vlado Perlemuter's recording of those 2 sonatas.

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #4 on: January 31, 2004, 12:49:01 AM
Argerich plays the best Sonata Op.58 , i don't know her 2nd one though

For Op.35, go with Horowitz, Richter is not bad neither.

I have the video of Pologerich playing Op.35 and Op.58 complete both, it's awesome. But i take some points out for him not playing the movement 1 of the OP.35 fine enough. But it's a 95/100 performance


I have Gilel playing Op.58 live too, it's awesome.
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #5 on: January 31, 2004, 03:41:21 AM
What about the Pollini version of both the piano sonatas? Or the Pletnev's one? Is it good?

Would anyone also reccomend the Arthur Rubinstein's one?

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #6 on: January 31, 2004, 03:42:05 AM
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I will second the Rachmaninoff one and also the Kapell one despite the mono recordings.
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #7 on: January 31, 2004, 04:06:51 AM
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What about the Pollini version of both the piano sonatas? Or the Pletnev's one? Is it good?

Would anyone also reccomend the Arthur Rubinstein's one?




 The Polini performances are ungodly boring.  Rubinstein plays a hell of a 3rd.
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #8 on: January 31, 2004, 04:07:57 AM
 And I forgot to mention Lipatti's 3rd sonata.  The 1st 3 movements are superb.
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #9 on: January 31, 2004, 04:28:07 AM
Polini Performance aren´t good
xtopher¡

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #10 on: January 31, 2004, 04:42:55 AM
I agree that Pollini's one are quite boring, but i love his natural rubato and almost noe of it. Sounds really natural.

What about Ashkenazy and Pletnev? Should i get the late Horowitz's recording or the earlier ones?

Zhiliang
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #11 on: February 02, 2004, 12:34:34 PM
The third sonata I should recommend you the performance by Dinu Lipatti
The second I think by Arthur Rubinstein an Daniel Barenboim .Rubinstein's scherzando in the second mouvement is divine en Barenboim his fourth. mouvement is the best!....be carrefull because Chopin is always agressif...;~))
Like Liszt told us: "une fleure entre deux abîmes"...
Argerich plays to fast in her Chopin...;~((
To me the best Chopinist is Alfred Cortot: Préludes!!!
I also played (everything of) Chopin but not that well...;~ç
Good luck!
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #12 on: February 02, 2004, 09:52:47 PM
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Argerich plays to fast in her Chopin...;~((


I don't insult your god! ;),
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 02:00:22 PM
go with Rachmaninoff, stay away from horowitz and rubenstein, ugh I can't stand their recordings they are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated.

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #14 on: February 08, 2004, 09:50:25 AM
i would definitly recommend Yundi Li's recording of the 3rd. Its very clear and crisp and i enjoyed it a lot.
Alexander Brailowsky's recording of both are extremely good. Especially the 3rd, but if you cant stand the hissing you won't like it that much.
Also i would recommend Cherkassky's performance live of both sonatas, and Agustin Anievas of the 3rd which is a very original reading and a bit too exciting with the final movement.
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #15 on: February 09, 2004, 07:50:38 AM
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go with Rachmaninoff, stay away from horowitz and rubenstein, ugh I can't stand their recordings they are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated.


Care to explain why they are so overrated? As in the points you find in their playing that has caused you to give such a harsh comment.

Personally, i find Rubinstein's recording of it really good.

Regards,

Zhiliang
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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #16 on: February 09, 2004, 08:18:25 AM
I think the reason that some people don't like Horowitz, Rubinstein, or other "masters" is that they often have "quirky" translations (which in my opinion makes them good). Many people prefer more generic recordings or newer recordings that don't have the notorious "hiss."

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Re: Chopin Piano Sontata No. 2 and 3
Reply #17 on: February 10, 2004, 04:51:04 AM
But still one should really get accustomed to the mono sound or the hiss. By the way many of Rubinstein's recordings and Horowitz's later recordings do not have much hissing and its stero, which i really think is quite good already. But despite the sound, you can really hear the magic in their playing.

Regards,

Zhiliang
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