Democrats Win (in America)

[rimv2]

And they did it without any work. New political strategy. Sit back and do nothing. Bush did it. And now the Democrats seem to be having success with this tactic as well.


So it was a while ago

Ahm not some 60 year old vet, so theres no way for me to know what the real difference between the two parties in this country are. They claim to have different views, but Ahve not been able to tell. Ahd dont walk around town a think, so this is what it feels like when democrats are in office. Ah know most of the good done by any of the parties goes untalked about. And all the negative reaches people in other countries before it reaches us.

It seems like all politician are people. People held to a higher standard. Many dont deliver. Some even give the impression that a monkey could do their job better. And some make this thought true. 

Do they really have people's best interest in mind?

How can we tell?

[instromp]

Oh no

Another thread for ppl to bash us and our country.I can see many demeaning posts coming ahead

[rimv2]

Oh no

Another thread for ppl to bash us and our country.I can see many demeaning posts coming ahead

They're gonna bash us no matter what.

It's what people do. Just take it.

But what ahm asking them is how do you tell that your government has your best interest in mind?

[ada]

But what ahm asking them is how do you tell that your government has your best interest in mind?

I hate to break it to you but governments aren't generally about advancing the interests of the people.

Governments are about wielding power.

And we only bash the US cos you're such an easy target, sorry 

[rimv2]

I hate to break it to you but governments aren't generally about advancing the interests of the people.

Governments are about wielding power.

And we only bash the US cos you're such an easy target, sorry 

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Another necessary evil?

[prometheus]

It's not a nessecary evil. But present day Americans do seem to take their rights for granted. All have been fought for and taken by your ancestors, either in Europe or in the US itself.

The whole point of the US was to get away from oppression in Europe.

[Derek]

no politician has anyone's interest in mind but his own political power and influence. If democrats, for example, really did care about the poor, they would be staunch advocates of wealth creation rather than wealth confiscation. The former creates more for everyone, the latter creates less.  "Tax cuts for the rich" in reality means more wealth to go around.  Rich people only stingily keep their (company) money if taxes are high. If taxes are lower they invest, hence more jobs, more wealth, more prosperity, less poverty. It is very simple.   Companies cannot "exploit" workers in that nobody is forced to work for a company.

I realized today that Democrats and labour party thinkers etc.  have an inverted concern. They believe that government, the societal embodiment of force, is benign, while they believe that free enterprise, the societal embodiment of voluntary exchange and persuasion, is pernicious and forceful.   This to me is an inversion of priorities.  If you want to help poor people for heaven's sake, take the government's stranglehold off of free enterprise.   Did you know that all government controls on business actually help the huge corporations and hurt small businesses?  It is not the large corporations like Wal Mart that hurt small business;   it is the government. I hasten to add that Wal Mart and others undoubtedly lobby the heck out of the government, but my point is if we can elect people to office who will reduce the size and influence of government, corporations will not be able to use the government to crush competition.  It is all so crystal clear to me, I cannot even comprehend how anyone can think differently. Haha

[prometheus]

Big Business even hurts the governemnt. To say it doesn't hurt small business is a very strange thing to say. Only the people can stand up to its power.

[Derek]

My point is that a corporation can't come to your door with armed officers and force you to buy something or take a job that has no benefits. The government CAN (and does in some cases) bring people to your house and raid/search it.  My point is government is FORCE. This is why our priority must be reducing government.   Again, this would make large corporations impotent to wield the sort of massive influence that they have on society.  Priority:  small government.

[prometheus]

No, but governments also largely stopped using force. Why? Because they know that in a modern world you can better control people using the media, the PR industry.

And the government needs to hire the PR industry to get something done. When the US want to go to war the first thing they do is contact the PR industry to create some consensus.

The PR industry are the big multinationals. And they also influence the government.

It is true that the government has 'special authority'. That's why private companies were created anyway. To give the people more power compared to the government. But now both government and multinationals are in the hands of the same people, working together.

Also, the government is under democratic control, while sometimes often quite limited, and we all recognise the government needs to respect the will of the people.

On the contrary private power are all totalitarian. And we all expect them to be that way. No one expects the workers to have any say in what happens to their company. And it is perfectly normal that the owner sells the company, becomming a multi-milionare. And then the new owner just fires the employers.

While in reality the workers should own the company.