sorabji quote

[pies]

I remember there was a thread posted here a while ago about avant garde stuff and it included a quote by Sorabji that was about his thoughts on avant. Does anyone have this quote/link to the post? I can't find it with the search.

[pies]

Finally found it.
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,10459.0.html

[pies]

I noticed that this was in the thread:

it is proven that too much dissonance impairs your health, and this is not a question of personal taste.

Is this true? How has it been proven?

[jre58591]

if thats true, ill be dead pretty soon.

[pies]

Heh, me too.

[thierry13]

It is proven sticking to your computer and not doing too much exercisse impairs your health, it is proven drinking alcohol impairs your health, it is proven smoking impairs your health, it is proven junk food impairs your health. <-- How many people practice those ? Much more than the people who listen to highly dissonant music.

[bflatminor24]

Dissonant music is unhealthy?

I think ignorance is unhealthy  .

I love you all.

Max

[JCarey]

it is proven that too much dissonance impairs your health, and this is not a question of personal taste.

That of course explains why Ornstein lived to be 110 years old and Mozart didn't live past his 30s.

[sevencircles]

Dissonant music is unhealthy?

That depends on the volume.

Personally I think that dissonant chords mixed with regular major and minor chords sound a lot better then serial music  etc.

A regular chord sound a lot better after something dissonant.

[ahinton]

That of course explains why Ornstein lived to be 110 years old and Mozart didn't live past his 30s.

Well, I'm not sure that it quite "explains" it as such, but it's such a neatly witty answer that I wish I'd thought of it myself! Actually, Ornstein lived only to be 108 or 109 (depending on which source you believe), but that fact naturally takes nothing away from your point.

One might add that, by the same token, it also "explains" why Elliott Carter has so far survived to a mere two dozen days short of his 98th birthday and is still writing.

Poor old (or rather not-so-old) Mozart, though; at least he incorporated a 12-note row in one of his works - and don't let's forget the "Dissonance" quartet; then there's the not-much-longer-lived Chopin (probably not an entirely unfamiliar name to members here) who, not content with famously hammering away at a chord containing E#s, F# and G naturals towards the close of his Scherzo No. 1 in B minor, repeats the same chord again some years later just before the central section of his Polonaise-Fantaisie...

Ives once said that he wanted his listeners to "take their dissonance like a man" - which, if nothing else, just goes to show how desperately politically incorrect he was...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

That of course explains why Ornstein lived to be 110 years old and Mozart didn't live past his 30s.

Nice one JC.

Perhaps medicine has improved as much as music.

Thal

[moi_not_toi]

I really don't think that it's BAD for you, but it might not help your ears at all.

And about the intelligence thing: I would say that Mozart and Serial (two opposite ends of the spectrum, no?) music bot increase your IQ, if not your intelligence.

Mozart, we just know makes you, or at least makes you FEEL, smarter.
Serialism, on the other hand, does it in a much more subtle way and only educates you in the way of music and perhaps math. I mean, if you can actually figure out how they're counting and the rhythms (sp.?) and the system in which it was written, you sometimes reach a higher plane of thinking for a brief period of time (or at least that's how it works for me)

[bflatminor24]

Lol. This thread is funny.

Doesn't anyone pay attention in science class?

Music inspires thought. Nothing can make you "smarter." The only things that influence intelligence besides genetics are sleep and diet at a very young age (under 5). Everything else influences thought and knowledge, not intelligence.

Serialism is ugly sounding. WHOOOOOOOAH flame me!

[pies]

Listening to serialism hasn't made me smarter. All it's done to me is make me a more peculiar person (most of my friends think I'm weird/odd for liking serialist and modern music).

[prometheus]

I do feel that music has an effect on the intellect. Now if it is really true, that's another story.

[thierry13]

Only listening to music won't make you smarter ... it's all about understanding it.