pianistimo, the....

[tds]

chronic chatter? mother of pianostreet.com?


there should be at least fifty other 'names' for susan.

type away, don't hold back.

[Kassaa]

Fundamentalist.

[jre58591]

Fundamentalist.

seconded.

[thalbergmad]

On reflection, decided against it.

Thal

[nicco]

I like how she completely ignores any critique directed to her

[ahinton]

Incessant, perhaps.

The underlying problem seems to me to be the inordinate and obsessive manner in which she persists in regaling us all with great swathes of material about God, Christ, the Bible and related matters when the topics of threads in which she does so are clearly unconnected with such matters.

Forum members have already variously expressed dismay, consternation and outright irritation at these vast paragraphs of off-topic writing in a number of threads but so far, it would seem, to no avail.

To quote a contrary example - "Pianolist" is a self-confessed atheist. Sometimes he writes very long posts. Does he constantly bring his atheism into them at every opportunity and none? No, he does not. When he takes the trouble to write long posts, the result is always interesting, informative, on-topic and not over-extended.

"Pianistimo" would very likely elicit a good deal more sympathetic treatment from forum members if only she were to keep her religiosity largely to herself and instead concentrate her posting energies on discussing and providing information on the topics to which she wishes to contribute.

I think it not unreasonable to suggest that the very fact that this thread exists at all is some kind of evidence that a number of forum members hold similar views on "pianistimo"'s unwarranted and unrequested Bible/Christian proselytising.

I do not seek to undermine Nils in anything that I write here and I am, of course, conscious of the fact that it is up to him what he will and will not accept in members' posts.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

note:  i never started a religious topic and am usually only answering in the 'anything but' piano section. 

[thalbergmad]

note:  i never started a religious topic and am usually only answering in the 'anything but' piano section. 

Indeed, you might never "start" religious topics, but you are in the habit of infesting unrelated topics with your religious rantings.

Thal

[ahinton]

Indeed, you might never "start" religious topics, but you are in the habit of infesting unrelated topics with your religious rantings.

Thal

This is precisely my point as well; in fact, if susanistimo were actually to initiate religious topics rather than strewing her particular brand of religiosity across others' threads on non-religious topics, her contributions could at least be relied upon to be on-topic; furthermore, those forum members not interested in reading such threads would recognise them from their topic and presumably leave them alone, thereby substantially reducing the risk of irritation. Please understand, however, that this is not to be taken as an invitation for susanistimo to initiate religious topics for the sake of it!

I have tried to offer other illustrative examples as part of my pleas for the requisite change here, but, so far, these seem to have fallen on stony ground. Here's another: you, Thal, notwithstanding your interest, do not constantly plug all things Thalbergian in humungous paragraphs almost every time you post to this forum. I don't drone on and on about Sorabji, either (although I do mention him and his work if the development of a particular thread might seem to warrant my doing so). There is no shortage of other similar examples.

If no other solution can be found, may I suggest that Nils comes clean and confirms the earlier speculations about God's membership of this forum and, if indeed He is a member, might he (Nils) send Him a PM asking if He wouldn't mind having a quiet word in susanistimo's ear and urge her to abide by the principle "render unto Pianostreet that things that are Pianostreet's and render unto God the things that are God's"?

Best,

Alistair

[pianowolfi]

these seem to have fallen on stony ground.

This is afaik a biblical expression.

[ramseytheii]

No need to start a new thread on pianitisimo, you can contribute your thoughts to this controversial subject on my thread, "Dearest Pianitisimo," found at,
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,21542.0.html

Walter Ramsey
 

[ahinton]

This is afaik a biblical expression.

Exactly. It was deliberate. Terrible sense of humour that I have...

Best,

Alistair

[ihatepop]

mental...

ihatepop (uhatepop 2 )

[mycrabface]

chronic chatter? mother of pianostreet.com?


there should be at least fifty other 'names' for susan.

type away, don't hold back.

POPULAR

[pianistimo]

popular?  not that word again.  eek.  if i was popular more good things would be happening to me.  i'd be doing a world tour playing mozart's jenamy concerto (the no. 9 in e -flat) K271

now - if i were to elaborate on that one as i do the bible - i would use these handy notes i find inside the music books of the library.  they just 'drop out.'  i have this one here - someone obviously used the book like a bible - and used this program as a bookmark. 

what's in a name?  countless beloved pieces of so-called classical music have a nickname, often one not given by the composer.  mozart would have no idea what the jupiter symphony is, beethoven the 'emperor' concerto or 'moonlight' sonata, or schubert the 'unfinished' symphony.  (after all - he was intending to finish it wasn't he?).  the names sometimes come from savvy publishers who know they can improve sales, or from impresarios, critics, or performers.  the case of the concerto we hear today is particularly interesting, and only recently explained.  little is known of the genesis or first performance of the e-flat concerto. twentieth century accounts usually stated that mozart composed it for a french keyboard virtuoso named mademoiselle jeunehomme, who visited salzburg in the winter of 1777.  nothing else was known, not even the woman's first name.

last year (this article is old - so it's maybe 6-8 years ago), the viennese musicologist michael lorenz, a specialist in the music of mozart's and schubert's time and a brilliant archival dectective, figured out the mystery.  the nickname was coined by the french scholars theodore de wyzewa and georges de saint-foix in their classic early-20th-century study of the composer.  as lorenz explains, since one of their favorite names for mozart was 'jeune homme' or young man, they presented this person as 'mademoiselle jeunehomme.'

in a september 1778 letter mozart wrote to his father, he referred to three recent concertos, 'one for the jenomy (k 271), litzau (k 246), and one in b-flat (k 238) that he was selling to a publisher.  leopold later called the first pianist  'madame genomai.'  spellings were often variable and phonetic at the time.  lorenz has identified her as victoire jenamy, born in strasbourg in1749 and married to a rich merchant, joseph jenamy, in 1768.  victoire was the daughter of the celebrated dancer and choreographer jean georges noverre (1727-1810), who was a good friend of mozart's.  he had choreographed a 1772 milan production of mozart's opera lucio silla and later commissioned the ballet les petits riens for paris.  although we still know little about victoire jenamy - she does not appear to have been a professional musician, though clearly mozart admired her playing --mozart's first great  piano concerto can now rightly be called by it's proper name:  'jenamy.' 

[pianistimo]

to continue a tradition - i shall post another post right after one of my own. 

my beloved ricardo muti conducted the first complete philadelphia orchestra performances of mozart's piano concerto #9 in october 1972.  (why did he have to get sick in november 2006, why why ?  i hope he's better) with phillipe entremont as soloist.  the jenamy runs approx. 30 minutes.

[dnephi]

to continue a tradition - i shall post another post right after one of my own.

my beloved ricardo muti conducted the first complete philadelphia orchestra performances of mozart's piano concerto #9 in october 1972. (why did he have to get sick in november 2006, why why ? i hope he's better) with phillipe entremont as soloist. the jenamy runs approx. 30 minutes.

The way I heard the second law of thermodynamics stated was that a system will assume that microstate of highest multiplicity by overwhelming probability.

[jpianoflorida]

PATIENT

pianistimo puts up with people contantly harassing her on this site.  She takes time to respond.   I have never read a post where she gets "nasty" with anyone at all!   I admire that!  I don't know of any other member that would take the crap people say to her all the time!    I hope everyone will remember that even though she does take it and is nice about it, she has feelings.       How would you feel if you were treated the way she is sometimes? Think about that next time you name call or put her down.   

[pianistimo]

thanks, jpianoflorida!  the way i see it - if i listen to crit - then i will improve.  so hopefully i will learn and not overwhelm people with too much information or information they are not seeking.  and, of course, limit quotations of the bible (which is actually hard for me - because i think it's a decent book).  so, i am left with - what else?  what else is there? 

oh.  yes. music.  back to music.  btw, i happen to think you and a lot of other people who are christian on this forum help a lot.  seems that we do a tandem thing. whenever one of us gets worn out, worn down, or whatever.  penguinlover is truly a respectable lady, too, as you mentioned earlier.

i think we can learn from everyone.  obviously, everyone has a valid contribution and bible topics are only a very minute (or should be) portion of a piano forum.  apologies for going on tangents.  i do this with music too.  seems that anything one really loves - you just can't get enough of it.  it  is what makes us feel alive and happy and joyful. 

ps i heard idil biret play handels minuet in G the other day - and despite the simplicity of the piece - it was actually a very moving experience for me.  that's life - to me - to enjoy the simple things and not make everything super complicated.

[Floristan]

With apologies to Oscar Hammerstein:

How do you find a word that means Pianistimo?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

She'd outpester any pest
Drive a hornet from its nest
She could throw a whirling dervish out of whirl
She is gentle! She is wild!
She's a riddle! She's a child!
She's a headache! She's an angel!
She's a girl!

When I'm with her I'm confused
Out of focus and bemused
And I never know exactly where I am
Unpredictable as weather
She's as flighty as a feather
She's a darling! She's a demon! She's a lamb!

[pianistimo]

i hate to say it - but i kind of like that description.  although similar poems have been composed for osama bin ladin (in the masculine version of course). 

say, floristan, do i know you?  the 'when i'm with you...' just makes me wonder for a brief momentary flashing light moment - are you my long lost teacher?  i shall never forget the kindnesses - and plentitude of good advice.  i am at a loss for direction since losing my compass.  perhaps you cannot be one for me. perhaps i shall always remain lost at sea (musically speaking).

 

[ahinton]

i hate to say it - but i kind of like that description.  although similar poems have been composed for osama bin ladin

Yes, I know the one; it begins
"Shall I compare thee to Osama bin Laden?"...

(in the i am at a loss for direction since losing my compass.
perhaps i shall always remain lost at sea.

Well, you're the one that said it; it's no wonder you couldn't find your way to The Warehouse last month, directions or no directions.

Now do club together, all ye fans of the pianistimistress of this forum - and buy her a nice new compass for Christmas...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

PATIENT

pianistimo puts up with people contantly harassing her on this site.  She takes time to respond.   I have never read a post where she gets "nasty" with anyone at all!   I admire that!  I don't know of any other member that would take the crap people say to her all the time!    I hope everyone will remember that even though she does take it and is nice about it, she has feelings.       How would you feel if you were treated the way she is sometimes? Think about that next time you name call or put her down.   

Well, it's not up to me to comment on others' responses and reaction to what Pianistimo writes here, but I can tell you that I do not personally indulge in "name calling" or putting down for the sake of it. I do admittedly state what I think about some of what she writes, but even when i do so it is simply to point out the sheer illogicality and ill-considered nature of some of it and that far too much of what she writes is dependent upon biblical texts being taken literally. I feel that some of here writings display a sense of disproportion. I do not seek to "put her down" in observing this, now or at any other time - but the alternative would be to let it all go and either accept it or disregard it. This, however, is, after all, a "discussion" forum, so I see nothing wrong with taking her to task over some of what she writes here.

She certainly "takes time" to write what she does - she'd surely have to! As to her being "nasty" to anyone here, I agree wholeheartedly with you that I have never once encountered an example of her doing any such thing, even unwittingly.

Best,

Alistair

[timothy42b]

Indeed, you might never "start" religious topics, but you are in the habit of infesting unrelated topics with your religious rantings.

Thal

Now I would have a different take.  I don't mind her religious comments at all, and really they are mostly inserted into Anything But topics where they aren't that far out of place.

However, ........................I wonder if it would be possible to reduce the word count somewhat. 

It would be easier to have a conversation or debate if the points were clearer and shorter, and possibly fewer per post.  It's called editing, I think.

I believe the same thing of the sermon in church.  Once you've made your point, EVERY additional word dilutes it.  Truly less is more.  I dunno if that's in the Bible but it should be. 

[ahinton]

Now I would have a different take.  I don't mind her religious comments at all, and really they are mostly inserted into Anything But topics where they aren't that far out of place.

Even I don't really mind them as such; it is simply - as you youself suggest - the sheer volume of them that causes this sense of disproportion. I have to stress, however, that there is also an imbalance here in terms of the inherent value to other readers of some of her "discussion" material, beause she cites one particular book so very often and copiously.

It would be easier to have a conversation or debate if the points were clearer and shorter, and possibly fewer per post.  It's called editing, I think.

Another problem is that pianistimo tends only rarely to "discuss" things when someone has taken her to task over something that she's written; she opts instead to move onto something else, thus reducing the extent of actual discussion.

I believe the same thing of the sermon in church.  Once you've made your point, EVERY additional word dilutes it.  Truly less is more.  I dunno if that's in the Bible but it should be. 

Pianistimo will know if it's in the Bible and I have little doubt that she'll go right ahead and tell us! Less is not necessarily always more in such discussions, but I do believe that it often is so when "more" includes repetitious material...

Best,

Alistair

[pianowelsh]

I presume most of the ones who start up these kinds of threads are nerdy teenage types that have nothing better to do that ridicule experienced professionals in their oodles of spare time. they are just lucky that Pianistimo has patience else this would be a forum of numbskulls whose chief delight is having cheap shots at one another...like a school outing! Grow up people and debate things that are important. Instead of attempting to bully or intimidate other members of the forum. Imagine what people who are actually 'sensible' think when they read posts mocking one of the forum members.  Do you think they are then going to be inclined to join in discussion or become part of the forum.  I think not!! they'll just laugh at the immaturity of it and go to pianoworld!!

[ahinton]

I presume most of the ones who start up these kinds of threads are nerdy teenage types that have nothing better to do that ridicule experienced professionals in their oodles of spare time. they are just lucky that Pianistimo has patience else this would be a forum of numbskulls whose chief delight is having cheap shots at one another...like a school outing! Grow up people and debate things that are important. Instead of attempting to bully or intimidate other members of the forum. Imagine what people who are actually 'sensible' think when they read posts mocking one of the forum members.  Do you think they are then going to be inclined to join in discussion or become part of the forum.  I think not!! they'll just laugh at the immaturity of it and go to pianoworld!!

I agree. My only possible area of dissent from your position here is that, whatever may or may not be the motivation of those who initiate threads of this nature, it is not true that all the respondents necessarily use such threads as an excuse for name-calling, put-downs and the rest; have a look at some of the responses in this thread if you doubt that...

Best,

Alistair

[daniel patschan]

Guys, stop that criticism. She is a very valuable member of the forum - absolutely dedicated with around 7000 posts. Due to members like she is, PF exists in the way it does today.

[Kassaa]

Guys, stop that criticism. She is a very valuable member of the forum - absolutely dedicated with around 7000 posts. Due to members like she is, PF exists in the way it does today.

If I had 7000 posts all containing the message that religion sucks would I be considered a very valuable member of the forum too?

[thalbergmad]

bible topics are only a very minute (or should be) portion of a piano forum

You jest, surely you jest

[pianowelsh]

Of course alistair im nots uggesting everyone who comments - merely those who drag peoples names and character though the dirt.  My primary concern is for rational people who come across this site - what must they think of all theis character bashing - its frankly a disgrace. To set the record straight pianistimo doesnt talk about 'religion' in every post she has set forward many lucid and inspired discussions on a huge variety of piano related topics and has given insightfull advice on many non piano related and non religious issues. So those that would run her down think again! This site is lucky to have her - instead of critising actually use you colourfull vocabulary and im sure intelligent brains to actually think of some piano related questions and rationale (or otherwise) answers to outstanding musical topics. Dont treat the forum like a big playground where its fun to call people names and make fun of them. Pianistimo is very gracious in the way she responds to you all - she doesnt need to be! It just in her character to be so. Dont take advantage of that.

[jpianoflorida]

If I had 7000 posts all containing the message that religion sucks would I be considered a very valuable member of the forum too?

the difference is pianistimo doesn't tell other people their nonbelief "sucks" or anything like that.  She is respectful and answers peoples questions.     I don't ever recall seeing her call anyone bad names or showing disrespect, please correct me if I missed something.

[ahinton]

the difference is pianistimo doesn't tell other people their nonbelief "sucks" or anything like that.  She is respectful and answers peoples questions.     I don't ever recall seeing her call anyone bad names or showing disrespect, please correct me if I missed something.

I agree with what you say here and with what "pianowelsh" says in his earlier post; that doesn't mean that I do not get irritated by all P's obsessive religiosity when she writes here - and, again, it's not because of that religiosity per se but because of the disproportionate amount of words devoted to specifically Bible-oriented material. To be honest, she does not always answer people's questions - at least not when those questions have arisen from people taking her to task on things that she has written.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

My primary concern is for rational people who come across this site - what must they think of all theis character bashing - its frankly a disgrace.

Anybody coming across this site would wonder why it is called Pianostreets.

Pianistimo is a spammer. Even my personal mailbox is not free of her mindless ramblings.

Well, it is now as i have blocked her.

Thal

[pianowelsh]

Thal! - you know thats not true. Pianistimo talks about piano related stuff 90% of the time. Nor is she the only person to evade or backtrack on comments made. Everyone on this site does it sometimes. We dont always think appropriately enough before we type thats the nature of the beast.  Agreed too much of this site is going OFF topic but pianistimo is not the reason! Peoples lack of imagination and darn laziness to discuss piano is the problem.  I posted so many new threads and people dont bite....yet they start plenty in the anything but piano..including pointless ones lambasting valueable members!!!  Its just a convenient excuse to complain about the number of religious posts on this site, which proportionally even in the so many thousand of anything but piano threads make up a small ammount of the content so put your money where your mouth is and start debating the piano! Theres the challenge.

[chopiabin]

The human embodiment of attention deficit disorder?

[ahinton]

Thal! - you know thats not true. Pianistimo talks about piano related stuff 90% of the time.

I don't know about 90 or any other high percentage, but I do agree that she does post about piano matters as well as the others.

Nor is she the only person to evade or backtrack on comments made. Everyone on this site does it sometimes.

Maybe not and maybe so (respectively) - but she does seem to do it rather more than most...

We thats the nature of the beast.

Hey! Stop calling pianistimo a "beast"! How dare you?! How very ungallant of you! She's posted far more than 666 times anyway...

start debating the piano! Theres the challenge.

Well, folks?...

Be(a?)st,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

ahinton,  after this much back and forth, pianowelsh is NOT a him, and not 'ungallant.'  you must read posts more carefully before quoting them and commenting.  i think perhaps i might be a slight bit of what chopiabin says - attention deficit - but that also gives me a good reason for not answering every single question that comes at me.  actually, they are not directed at me personally all the time anyways - so i leave room for others to answer as well.  when you take one or two questions and really look for answers - it takes a while to just answer those.  i mean - i'm not God. 

btw, thal - i've only sent about three e-mails in my entire lifetime.  what's with the spamming idea?  don't you get other women that write every day?  it's pretty sad if you have to rely on mine.  it's like blocking solar eclipses.

[thalbergmad]

btw, thal - i've only sent about three e-mails in my entire lifetime.  what's with the spamming idea?  don't you get other women that write every day?  it's pretty sad if you have to rely on mine.  it's like blocking solar eclipses.

Well into double figures.

I don't rely on your messages, i just delete them.

Is not spam senseless unrequested e mails?

No other women wrtie to me.

Solar eclipses are not mentioned in the Bible and do not exist.

THE END

[ahinton]

ahinton,  after this much back and forth, pianowelsh is NOT a him, and not 'ungallant.'  you must read posts more carefully before quoting them and commenting.

Indeed i had not realised that pianowelsh is female and I duly apologise to her for any misunderstand that this ignorance may have caused. I still think it was ungallant of her to call you a beast, though!

i think perhaps i might be a slight bit of what chopiabin says - attention deficit - but that also gives me a good reason for not answering every single question that comes at me.  actually, they are not directed at me personally all the time anyways - so i leave room for others to answer as well.

Mine usually are directed at you when they're in responses to your posts.

when you take one or two questions and really look for answers - it takes a while to just answer those.  i mean - i'm not God.

No; I think that all of us that have read you many reference to Him has worked out that you are not one and the same...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Well into double figures.

I don't rely on your messages, i just delete them.

Is not spam senseless unrequested e mails?

No other women wrtie to me.

Solar eclipses are not mentioned in the Bible and do not exist.

THE END

Can you please enlighten me as to the address of that charm school in Gravesend?

Thanks.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Can you please enlighten me as to the address of that charm school in Gravesend?

Thanks.

Best,

Alistair

If one does exist, i have not attended any lessons and nor do i need to.

I can be charming when the occasion demands and a git when the occasion does not.

I am not noted for suffering fools gladly.

Thal

[counterpoint]

the Rose of pianostreet

To me, pianistimo is a little like Rose from the Golden Girls. A charming, kind-hearted person with a good sense of humour, but if she tells her stories from St. Olaf, it's hard to keep serious and hold back a giggle 

I really don't understand, why some people are so aggressive against her. She is always friendly to everyone. So please, be friendly to her too...

[pianistimo]

wait!  i'm not THAT old.  i'm only 45.  good grief.  i have a few more years - and yet - i like betty white.  ok.  if i'm like her when i turn white haired, it's ok. 

thanks for sticking up for me, anyways!

[thalbergmad]

thanks for sticking up for me, anyways! 

You are welcome

[counterpoint]

wait!  i'm not THAT old.  i'm only 45.  good grief.  i have a few more years - and yet - i like betty white.  ok.  if i'm like her when i turn white haired, it's ok. 

 

[teresa_b]

I just happened on this thread, and I wish to compliment pianistimo on her post about the "Jenamy" concerto by Mozart.    

Teresa

[arbisley]

I don't see there is a problem about backtracking and wandering off into different directions in ones posts, it naturally happens to imagintaive people because they have a strong associative power, with reference to Chang's book (hey, not the bible this time!).

I see pianistimo as a wonderfully oen-minded person, who is nonetheless strong in her own opinions and takes time and care to argue what she thinks. It's really a bit lke the way I think, because I often lead into other subjects and don;t make sense by the time I've reached the end of a sentence. especially when typing, I am slow and correct so many mistakes along the way that my sentences are completely disjointed in most cases.

There's a difference between being convincing and being honest. Politicians are convincing. Pianistimo is honest. She might not always admit to her faults by quoting from the Bible without a thoughtful process, but I believe this is easier than trying to explan something in a long-winded way which would take too much time and would just be confusing. Although she does that anyway...

There we go, I'm not making sense in what I say, that's why I can associate with pianistimo.

Thumbs up to you 

What I find annoying is that because she posts so much we have some thread spurely about her, which seems even more pointless than just a religious argument, because it is as if pianistimo thought is becoming a thing on its own and merits as large a place as say God or the piano in our lives. But that is after all how most people associate with god, because they associate with certain marvellous christians.

So after all that, do you live near Gravesend in England? I go to school in East Sussex, but that's beside the point.

Cheers,

Anthony

[pianistimo]

hmmm.  arbisley?  you mean that.  i have converted another soul, thal.  so there!

ok.  i see what you mean about so much personal feeling.  i'll have you know that just tonight i have changed my ways.  i actually bought a book about 'julliard.'

did you know...that his name was augustus julliard.  if you want to know more - read my 'julliard' thread.  it will prove that i am able to read and comprehend things that i consider important.  of course, having visited there - i was shocked at the spartan atmosphere.  i expected some kind of extravagance.  marble hallways.  floral arrangements.  huge paintings.  you're paying for the teachers there.  nothing else.  but, of course, the teachers are what most people come for, i guess.

[arbisley]

Didn't need converting 

I got my sources confused, that wasn't Chang's book I got it from, it was one of Tony Buzan's memory book    dear me, I got it wrong!

I actually went through a time when I went through alot of questioning of religion, but I recently found it's so much part of me I can't live without it! Although I still respect other people's opinions of course.

Merry Christmas by the way, celebrating the birth of Jesus of course, not the ideal of endless shopping....

Anthony