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Offline xtopher

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Beethoven or Mozart?
« on: February 03, 2004, 05:27:12 AM »
Im asking YOU who do u think its better??
BEETHOVEN OR MOZART??
Just write the name..No reasons.
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Offline allchopin

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #1 on: February 03, 2004, 05:50:16 AM »
Chopin.  All Chopin.
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Offline Clare

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #2 on: February 03, 2004, 06:10:58 AM »
Definitely Beethoven for me!

Offline chopiabin

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #3 on: February 03, 2004, 06:15:52 AM »
BEETHOVEN!

Offline schnabels_grandson

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #4 on: February 03, 2004, 09:21:05 AM »
Mozart.  I'll say what my teacher said:  Mozart is the rich man's Beethoven, Beethoven being the poor man's Beethoven.  I know, purely subjective, but amusing nonetheless.
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Offline Noah

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 03:22:19 PM »
Mozart... no, Beethoven.... um, wait. There's absolutely no way I can decide on that one.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #6 on: February 03, 2004, 04:39:37 PM »
Beethoven, without a doubt!

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #7 on: February 03, 2004, 10:11:01 PM »
My heart says Beethoven but my head says Mozart,
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #8 on: February 04, 2004, 01:02:23 AM »
My heart says Beethoven and my head says Beethoven.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #9 on: February 04, 2004, 01:04:05 AM »
I remember one dude being interviewed on some radio show years and years ago, and he was the head of a Mozart fan club or something. He said, "Beethoven is the best composer in the world, but Mozart is the ONLY composer in the world."

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #10 on: February 04, 2004, 03:13:59 AM »
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I remember one dude being interviewed on some radio show years and years ago, and he was the head of a Mozart fan club or something. He said, "Beethoven is the best composer in the world, but Mozart is the ONLY composer in the world."


Kind of Condradictory isnt it?
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #11 on: February 04, 2004, 03:17:18 AM »
Yep!

But I think this guy meant that he knew that Beethoven was a better or maybe more interesting and innovative composer, but Mozart was still his all-time favourite.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #12 on: February 04, 2004, 05:32:25 AM »
-Beethoven ...but i Chopin is the best if u ask me - REAL genius, all my love for CHOPIN!  ;D

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #13 on: February 06, 2004, 09:46:27 AM »
BEETHOVEN


Mozart is dry.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #14 on: February 06, 2004, 10:37:26 PM »
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Mozart is dry.


Mozart is not dry. Your brain is.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #15 on: February 06, 2004, 10:39:53 PM »
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I remember one dude being interviewed on some radio show years and years ago, and he was the head of a Mozart fan club or something. He said, "Beethoven is the best composer in the world, but Mozart is the ONLY composer in the world."


 That's a phrase stolen from the famous "duel" between Liszt and Thallberg.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #16 on: February 07, 2004, 04:59:58 PM »
Same as eddie. Heart says Beethoven but head says Mozart.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #17 on: February 08, 2004, 07:37:13 PM »
My piano teacher at my last lesson instructed for my next piece to pick from the following three composers Haydn, Mozart or Beethoven. Immediately without hesitation I blurted Beethoven. She replied with "it's good to know where you stand however you answered that question too quickly, so I think I'm going to assign you this Mozart piece".  

So now I'm working on Mozart's Fantasy in c minor K475 :-P


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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #18 on: February 08, 2004, 11:05:59 PM »
I would have punched her. I can listen to Mozart, but I find playing his music pretty dull. Beethoven all the way. Like Ed said, he appeals to the heart - he is pure emotional energy.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #19 on: February 10, 2004, 01:01:13 AM »
Beethoven is the better composer.  I think he is the greatest composer of all time.  But this is just an opinion.  Actually I love Mozart as well, but I find his music to be so happy happy all the time.  Beethoven's music is far more profound.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #20 on: February 10, 2004, 01:30:43 AM »
Beethoven!!

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Offline Noah

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #21 on: February 10, 2004, 01:40:39 AM »
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Beethoven's music is far more profound.


Unlike your understanding of Mozart's music.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #22 on: February 11, 2004, 11:16:48 PM »
My preference is Mozart (not to downplay Beethoven's genius).  Beethoven's themes are more scales and arpeggios; Mozart writes beautiful melodies.  What's wrong with music sounding happy?  That's why I enjoy Haydn.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #23 on: February 12, 2004, 01:51:15 AM »
Thracozaag, I never realised that, but you're right! What a rip-off.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #24 on: February 26, 2004, 03:15:21 AM »
why get hung up on beethoven and mozart?!? I mean yes they are great heros of classical music and should be highly respected but this forum makes it seem like they are the only two good composers....anyways i dont believe either one is better then the other, i rank them at the same level, they are both great (but i agree with allchopin.... chopin is better  :) )

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #25 on: February 27, 2004, 12:14:06 AM »
Hard to choose. I always go through ever-changing periods of Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin, and yes, Bach. I can't choose between these four. They are all great to me.

My favorite depends on when you ask me. Right now I am leaving a Chopin period, and going into the Beethoven, Mozart period. Bach next week. Back to Chopin.

When I am in the Chopin period, it's hard for me to hear anyone else, I still want more of Chopin, and think that the piano is by far the greatest instrument. Then I hear a Mozart violin concerto for an hour and get convinced totally differently. I don't understand myself sometimes.

But I have a lot of joy in both the piano and violin, practicing as well as listening, and especially music by these four great composers.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #26 on: February 28, 2004, 03:25:11 AM »
I often can't stand Mozart's music.  It is so superficial, just light happy stuff.  No deep chords or piano-banging.  Beethoven's music makes me cry whenever I listen to it.  :'(  I'm not joking!!
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #27 on: February 28, 2004, 06:33:23 AM »
How do you cry when listening to music?  I couldn't do that if I tried.
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«Reply #28 on: February 28, 2004, 07:11:11 AM »
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How do you cry when listening to music? I couldn't do that if I tried.


It helps being female ;)

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #29 on: February 28, 2004, 12:29:13 PM »
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How do you cry when listening to music? I couldn't do that if I tried.


Get a Maksim CD and listen to it. ;)
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #30 on: July 19, 2004, 04:32:40 AM »
Hannah Joy posted:
"My preference is Mozart (not to downplay Beethoven's genius).  Beethoven's themes are more scales and arpeggios; Mozart writes beautiful melodies.  What's wrong with music sounding happy?  That's why I enjoy Haydn. "
I really, really disagree. Indeed, Mozart has written some wonderful melodies, but they all include a scale or two, every single one of them. Beethoven rarely uses them, listen to his most favourite of Sonatas, the Hammerklavier, a hugely memorable allegro, with subsequent beauteous melodies.

Of the two, Beethoven all the way, without disregarding Mozart.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #31 on: July 19, 2004, 06:07:46 AM »
What about Alban Berg ???


..I'd go with Beethoven's any day
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #32 on: July 19, 2004, 06:52:21 AM »
mozart is amazing but ill have to go with beethoven on this one

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #33 on: July 19, 2004, 08:49:12 AM »
I can't help but wonder what all Mozart might have composed if he had lived as long as Beethoven.

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #34 on: July 19, 2004, 10:05:47 AM »
Mozart
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #35 on: July 19, 2004, 12:43:12 PM »
Beethoven :)

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #36 on: July 19, 2004, 01:04:56 PM »
Beethoven, because in my opinion he has everything that music is in his compositions, the extremes of emotion such as in the eroica to the utter sublime in the his variations in the last sonata.

I've never been over-keen on Mozart but I wouldn't agree that his music is all happy-happy-dancing-about all the time, the reason he's not my favourite composer is because I feel that when I listen to his music there is no struggle. By this I mean his composition skill was so easy and natural and it feels (whether it be true or not) that it was all too easy for him to compose, with Beethoven you get the feeling that he sometimes had to go through hell to get what he wanted, plus he went deaf and was an emotional character anyway!

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #37 on: July 20, 2004, 06:53:37 AM »
i say beethoven cuz mozart tends to get just slightly redundant at times. he was still a genius though
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #38 on: July 20, 2004, 07:58:11 AM »
I like Beethoven and Mozart equally because they both had such interesting lives.  Actually, come to think about it, I cant think of a single composer that didnt have an interesting life.
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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #39 on: July 20, 2004, 07:19:46 PM »
beethoven's great of course, but why do so much of you dislike mozart's compositions ?
i think i like both ; mozart's pieces are not always "happy happy", just listen to his requiem k 626 (kyrie eleison, lacrimosa, confutatis) ; his symphonies are great too, and not always joyful.
And what's wrong with joyful  music ? ::)

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Re: Beethoven or Mozart?
«Reply #40 on: July 27, 2004, 08:37:35 AM »
Beethoven couldn't have been great without Mozart. Nevertheless, Beethoven is with little argument the greatest composer ever.

On a side note, while the greater part of Mozart's work is not sturm-und-drunk, he demonstrates many times his ability to write dark, emotional minor-key passages, especially in his Requiem, and his keyboard fantasies, and occasionally in his sonatas. I have however yet to find an seriously dark passage in any of his chamber music.
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