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pianowelsh

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I reccently had a student play this and I fell in love with it. Why do people overlook this one when they choose the first 2 to perform. Its really rather beautifull. What are your experiences of the work. Your own or students who you have taught the work to.

PS im considering learning it myself for fun now.

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p.hindemith

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Re: 3rd moments musicaux Schubert

Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 04:29:32 PM

I love that piece, it's very uplifting and nice. But it's a little short in comparison to the other MM [except for no.5] so maybe people think it's not worth it, or something?

Btw, the other MM are great too, what about the last one - the A-flat Allegretto - it's probably my favourite one. Gorgeous harmonies!!

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pianowelsh

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Re: 3rd moments musicaux Schubert

Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 11:01:12 PM

Very true but there are plenty of short pieces that people play why do they neglect this gem!

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jakev2.0

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Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 11:06:51 PM

Gorgeous work. I'm totally in favor of making it more well known.

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=youtube+schubert+moment+horowitz

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p.hindemith

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Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 02:01:10 AM

Quote from: pianowelsh on December 13, 2006, 11:01:12 PM

Very true but there are plenty of short pieces that people play why do they neglect this gem!

Yes, you are absolutely right. It seems beginner pianists are dying to learn, for example, the obvious Chopin preludes [#4 and #20] or the Minuet in G. I have no idea why it is that this Schubert piece is overlooked. The only reason I can think of is that Schubert in general is not that popular, at least so it seems if you browse through the topics here on Pianostreet.

And yes, I think that is very sad because Schubert actually IS my hero. Schubert wrote plenty of outstanding pieces for piano that 'beginner' pianists can play and enjoy, but they overlook them. What about the Landler, Viennesse dances and German dances. These are very short pieces -with the most lovely harmonies- that take not a very long time to master. And besides that, you can very easily tie some of your favourites together, so that you can actually construct one bigger piece containing all of your favourite Schubertian themes and harmonies.

But, maybe the majority of people think these pieces are just not 'fancy' enough. Oh how wrong they are

I guess I went a little off-topic here, I hope that's not a problem.

Greetings!

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burstroman

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Re: 3rd moments musicaux Schubert

Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 12:30:31 AM

p.hindemith: you are not off the topic. I am also a champion of Schubert's music. His music gives me great delight. He needs to be played much more.

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arensky

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Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 08:11:59 PM

Quote from: pianowelsh on December 13, 2006, 11:01:12 PM

Very true but there are plenty of short pieces that people play why do they neglect this gem!

I am confused... this is Moment Musical #3 in f minor we're talking about, right? This is by far the most famous of these six pieces. That said I think all the Musical Moments are neglected. Compared to the Impromptus Op.90 and 142 they seem like sketches or fragments, and with a little more work it's possible to play an impromptu.

I played this early on, it was in my father's dusty piano lesson books from when he was a kid. I remember trying it out and being delighted to have found a "real" piece (let's face it sonatinas kind of blow) that I could play. I've suggested it to students but they never go for it. Perhaps it's not flashy enough for the 21st Century teenager. And for younger students the 6ths and 3rds are intimidating, although this could be a good vehicle for introducing those figurations.

Schubert's piano music is wonderful. While not overtly virtuostic (Wanderer Fantasy excepted) it's nonetheless very difficult at times. And if you can't phrase a tune, that deficiency in your playing will immediately be apparent. If Schubert is neglected (as hindemith and burstroman have observed) in recent times that probably has to do with the emphasis that many contemporary pianists place on dexterity and speed, at the expense of everything else that goes into a great performance. Of course one must win the competition....

I'd like to see a Schubert competition....

No Wanderer Fantasy. Or at least not until the final round...

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pianowelsh

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Re: 3rd moments musicaux Schubert

Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 12:32:15 PM

I think there is a Schubert competition somewhere - i remember looking over the audition requirements. Possibly Koln? Actually I think of the whole set my favourite is no2 so elegant..I may learn the whole set now!!! I think it could be the lack of virtuosity in the works that is a put of for many students - the majority of his pieces sit in the intermediate range. they are romatic in sentiment without overt physical challenges.. but slightly above the Beginner range. played well they are amongst the most beautifull creations for piano ever, but so often they are plonked through becasue the kid wants to get onto a 'big' piece that his/her friends will recognise or be impressed by. I think its rather simptomatic of teaching today in general that the intermediate stage is rushed and students are not encouraged to broaden and develop before plunging into the virtuoso repertoire...foolish in my opinion because they soon hit a ceiling and want to give up and in fact many then leave off piano for years and then come back to it later in life to learn - guess what ....Schubert!!!

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Mozartian

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Reply #8 on: December 18, 2006, 06:27:02 PM

Wow, I absolutely love this. Think I need to learn it...

-moz

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[lau] 10:01 pm: like in 10/4 i think those little slurs everywhere are pointless for the music, but I understand if it was for improving technique

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