czerny op.740

[angeliasoegito]

why after i played czerny, my hands always feel tired, and getting tense so it's difficult to continue finishing the lesson and difficult to control my hand
i try to warming up first with playing scale and try to be relax, but it doesn't effect too much. i also try play slowly first and then fast, but it also doesn't effect
it's also difficult to play czerny as fast as the metronome sign.
can anyone help me to resolve this problem? thank uu....

[faulty_damper]

Playing the piano is one of the easiest things to do.  Once you learn how to do it, it never requires practicing.

But unfortunately, it's rare that anyone even achieves such a fluency at the keyboard.  And if some of them do, they must keep on practicing to maintain it, and some practice for life without ever coming to the realization that their ability is not natural.

What's more unfortunate is that almost all teachers can not teach their students to become fluent.  The rare students that do usually come about this fluency by accident, completely at odds with what their teacher instructed them.

And this fluency can never be had by more practice or practicing studies.  It doesn't even matter that you can muscle your way through a Czerny study at tempo or not.  The ability to play a piece does not directly coorelate to the ease at which it was played.

It should be easy.  An impossible piece is one that you cannot play easily.  It's impossible because it's not easy and playing the piano is the easiest thing in the world.

What perks my interest is that you mentioned the inability to continue a lesson playing a piece of music because it was difficult.  Why?  Or rather there seems to be one person who is failing to provide services even after money was exchanged?

But again, most teachers can never teach their students to become fluent, no matter what they assign to them.  And these students desparately want to achieve success which is why they look for other teachers, even if they resort to asking for help on an online forum.  And the answers they recieve are never sufficient.  They just continue their behavior and nothing really changes except they may recieve some moral support, however trivial that may be.

[counterpoint]

Playing the piano is one of the easiest things to do.  Once you learn how to do it, it never requires practicing.

I like, what you are telling   

But now, there must be a trick.

Could you pleeease tell us what to do that piano playing is the "easiest things to do"

[emill]

Playing the piano is one of the easiest things to do.  Once you learn how to
do it, it never requires practicing.
But unfortunately, it's rare that anyone even achieves such a fluency at the keyboard. 
And if some of them do, they must keep on practicing to maintain it, and some practice
for life without ever coming to the realization that their ability is not natural.

Please help me out here -  if playing the piano is one of the easiest things to do,
why is it rare for anyone to achieve fluency ?

Now, I am of the viewpoint thaT playing  the piano entails being able to read and
intepret correctly the piece as the composer intended it to be.

Thanks.

[mad_max2024]

Now, I am of the viewpoint thaT playing  the piano entails being able to read and
intepret correctly the piece as the composer intended it to be.

Thanks.

I'm more of the opinion that playing the piano means interpreting the piece as YOU intend it to be...
It's being able to play that way that's hard.

Not sure I understood the whole easiest thing to do and fluency bit
Maybe faulty_damper means that when you play a piece correctly, you should play it with ease and your hands and fingers should not be tired, which I would agree.
Usually, when my hands are stressed out, there is something I'm doing wrong that causes such tension.
If you play relaxed and completely coordinated with no unnecessary movements, I think there would be no cause for tension and burden at the hands.

Speed and metronome signs are something I do not bother much with...
So what if I can not play something at ultrafast speed, if I can play it at a comfortable pace and make it sound good, I'm more than satisfied
I try to build to a resonable speed then I just start playing the music as well as I can
And if I can play it correctly, after I start playing it regularly, I find speed usually comes by itself.

Unless you are trying to make a deadline on a performance I guess... I don't usually do public performances, but even then, I don't think people will be very concerned with wether you play at 100 or 120 bpm...

[Bob]

The trick?  The trick is all the work and practice it takes to make it so it's easy.  And there really is no end to what you can do.  A positive and negative there.

If the piece is wearing you out, it's probably too much for you now.  Work up to it.

I had a teacher tell me to use such-and-such a Czerny piece as a warmup piece.  That could have been true for him.  But for me it was challenging.  More of a workout, than a warmup.

Work up to it slowly.  Work up to YOUR goal.

The metronome marks in technical stuff can be on the high side.  If it's high, then you always have something to work toward.  Or maybe the composer was just that good, or maybe he was just adding a higher tempo mark.

Czerny and Beethoven lived around the same time, I think.  I don't think the metronome was quite developed at the time, so the metronome marking itself could be off from what Czerny intended.  I could be wrong about that, but I remember something about Beethoven and metronome markings being off.

Tell your teacher.  I don't think pushing things a little is necessarily bad.  Pushing too much, too often, is bad though -- when you start getting diminishing returns.

Ease up on the piece.  Play it slower.  Play only part of it.  Aim for the goal of the piece -- If it's speed, just try to increase your speed.  If it's chords, work on improving some aspect of how you play chords.  Get something out of it.

When I've strained things, it's not necessarily bad.  I think some strain is a necessary part of development.  Just ease back, but continue to practice some.  Less, less often, more breaks, more relaxed.  And then things heal up and heal up stronger -- but that takes time -- weeks at least, if not a month.