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Offline persona

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I must be doing something wrong
on: December 27, 2006, 11:53:41 PM
Here's the thing: my left wrist is hurting. I've read lot's of threads about this but, as far as I know, none of them applies to my case.

I noticed that the "natural" or "most relaxed" position of my left wrist is a little spinned unclockwise, while my right (which has never hurt) can adopt a "horizontal" position with no effort at all. I'm almost certain that the pain in my left wrist is due to the effort I make every time I try to get both hands straight.

So tell me, is this poor positioning of my wrist due to a bad position of my back, arm, shoulder or anything else? Or is it possible that I was born with a slightly "spinned" left arm? I tried not sitting so close to the piano, as some suggested, and it helped a lot, but not completely.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #1 on: December 28, 2006, 12:34:44 AM
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THIS IS ONLY CHOICE!
“A reasonable man adapts himself to the world. An unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends upon the unreasonable man”. Bernard Shaw

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 05:17:08 AM
I tried not sitting so close to the piano, as some suggested, and it helped a lot, but not completely.

Maybe you're also too high. Try sitting slightly lower, and see if that helps any.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #3 on: December 28, 2006, 09:55:28 AM
Here's the thing: my left wrist is hurting. I've read lot's of threads about this but, as far as I know, none of them applies to my case.

What pieces do you play at the moment?
If it doesn't work - try something different!

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #4 on: December 28, 2006, 10:01:48 AM
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THIS IS ONLY CHOICE!

Sorry, this constant advertising gets a little dumb now.  8)
If it doesn't work - try something different!

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #5 on: December 28, 2006, 03:49:04 PM


L-a, stop using my computer
“A reasonable man adapts himself to the world. An unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends upon the unreasonable man”. Bernard Shaw

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #6 on: December 28, 2006, 03:50:48 PM
Sorry, this constant advertising gets a little dumb now.  8)

Completely agree!
“A reasonable man adapts himself to the world. An unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends upon the unreasonable man”. Bernard Shaw

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #7 on: December 28, 2006, 05:16:08 PM
Sitting lower does help a lot. But still, I can't get my left wrist fully straightened up. I guess it's part of the learning process. One can't expect to have a good posture from day 1. Maybe with time I'll keep improving it.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 05:43:58 PM
my teacher ever said that 'left hand is more stupid than right hand' (maybe because right hand is more dominant), so usually, when practiced it's better if play separate hand first, and practice left hand more than right hand.  left hand wants to be together with right hand, although left hand's weaker, so left hand works harder.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 12:43:07 PM
Here's the thing: my left wrist is hurting. I've read lot's of threads about this but, as far as I know, none of them applies to my case.

I noticed that the "natural" or "most relaxed" position of my left wrist is a little spinned unclockwise, while my right (which has never hurt) can adopt a "horizontal" position with no effort at all. I'm almost certain that the pain in my left wrist is due to the effort I make every time I try to get both hands straight.

So tell me, is this poor positioning of my wrist due to a bad position of my back, arm, shoulder or anything else? Or is it possible that I was born with a slightly "spinned" left arm? I tried not sitting so close to the piano, as some suggested, and it helped a lot, but not completely.
Have you told your teacher?  No part should hurt when you play the piano.  In fact, most of the time you should feel almost no tension at all in your hands. 

There are two possible things, an injury not due to your playing style, in which case, seeing a doctor and resting will help; and the second is that you have develop a style that is not suitable.  In the second case, you will have to start changing your playing style.  My advice is to not ignore it but to address it.  Learn some movement.  The problem with this is that, the easiest way is to actually see someone with good movement doing it, and imitating. 

Here are some tips,
1. sandor book has information in about extremities of hand position.  there are basically three types hand movement -- left-right, up-down and rotation. To each of these there is a comfort zone (well within the movement).  just check when you are playing that you do not stay near the extremities of each of these motions for extended periods.  your hand position should be in the comfort zone most of the time.

2.  you should play with every joint of your fingers.  The wrists should be supple.  to a certain extent, you can think of every joint of your hand as loose springs and the action should comprise of the extension/compression of each of these springs.  In general, no one part should be ridgid.

3.  Concetrate on playing a single note at a time, looking at your movement.  The moment should comprise of a conscious effort to play the note and after, a natural recoil action.  Again, all parts of your digit should work simultaneously.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #10 on: December 30, 2006, 07:48:36 AM
asyncopated:

That's exactly my problem! (number 1 in your list). See, my left hand is most of the time rotated clockwise (I assume close to the extremities you mention) in order to play. But the thing is, if I relax my wrist as much as I need in order to get it comfortable, it becomes rotated like 45º counter clockwise, and this is very unhelpful for the fingers. So, what should one do in my case: play with a relaxed wrist, or play with it straightened?

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #11 on: January 01, 2007, 04:10:49 PM
asyncopated:

That's exactly my problem! (number 1 in your list). See, my left hand is most of the time rotated clockwise (I assume close to the extremities you mention) in order to play. But the thing is, if I relax my wrist as much as I need in order to get it comfortable, it becomes rotated like 45º counter clockwise, and this is very unhelpful for the fingers. So, what should one do in my case: play with a relaxed wrist, or play with it straightened?

I can't actually picture the problem.  From what I have read from various sources, one should play wiht a supple wrist.  This does not mean relaxed, but mayby "loose" is a better word.  I tend to agree with this.  I am able to play most the the time without moving to any of the extermities.

Here is another suggestion, think of playing a single not with your left hand with all your joints.  There are three joints, the knuckle, the middle and the tip.  try but the middle figure and the index finger.   Keep your wrist "loose" and just allow it to follow throught the moment.  Just concentrate on playing the notes and making a beautiful sound, see if the movment comes more naturally.

I still think my main advice is talk to your teacher about it and see if you can solve the problem together.  Whatever the case is, I don't think you sould ignore the problem.

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Re: I must be doing something wrong
Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 12:34:16 AM
asyncopated:

That's exactly my problem! (number 1 in your list). See, my left hand is most of the time rotated clockwise (I assume close to the extremities you mention) in order to play. But the thing is, if I relax my wrist as much as I need in order to get it comfortable, it becomes rotated like 45º counter clockwise, and this is very unhelpful for the fingers. So, what should one do in my case: play with a relaxed wrist, or play with it straightened?

sit higher, further back, or move your elbows from so close to your body

everyone's wrist are different

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