liszt level question

[rach3pianoconcerto]

It is out of the question that Liszt's compositions are for the more elite gifted players who can hammer out the technicalities. I noticed how this site has actually put ratings on all the songs. I would say that i am tackling pieces at the 8 level and dont go much above the 8+ yet. I was wondering about liszt famous Liebestraume piece whether that would be considered an 8+ or an 8. I was thinking that if you take into consideration the 2 cadenzas and the left hand right hand melody that can be difficult to master it would defienately be an 8+ and if it is 8+ would it be a 9 or a 10. Can someone please give me there opinion. I would really appreciate it. Thank you kindly Wink

[nicco]

You dont have to post the same question in different sections of the forum. Just so you know.

[pianistimo]

to play the liszt well is probably dipABRSM.  i mean, it is on par with say Beethoven op. 10 #2 or debussy's claire de lune.  and, as you mention - just because they are 'song' transcriptions' and have a melody doesn't rule out those 'mini-cadenzas' that are sort of bridges or transitions from one place to another.

i'd agree that all three constitute a level of degree of difficulty past just 'looking at the notes' or 'looking at the rhythms and key.' 

#3 (the most popular of the liebestraume) is based on the song 'o lieb, so lang du lieben kannst' by ferdinand freilgrath.  twould be interesting to know more.  like, what the words of the folk song were.

[berrt]

#3 is based on the song 'o lieb, so lang du lieben kannst' by ferdinand freilgrath.  twould be interesting to know more.  like, what the words of the folk song were.

O lieb, so lang du lieben kannst!
 O lieb, so lang du lieben magst!
 Die Stunde kommt, die Stunde kommt,
 Wo du an Gräbern stehst und klagst.

 Und sorge, daß dein Herze glüht
 Und Liebe hegt und Liebe trägt,
 So lang ihm noch ein ander Herz
 In Liebe warm entgegenschlägt.

 Und wer dir seine Brust erschließt,
 O tu ihm, was du kannst, zu lieb!
 Und mach ihm jede Stunde froh,
 Und mach ihm keine Stunde trüb.

 Und hüte deine Zunge wohl,
 Bald ist ein böses Wort gesagt!
 O Gott, es war nicht bös gemeint, -
 Der andre aber geht und klagt.

 O lieb, solang du lieben kannst!
 O lieb, solang du lieben magst!
 Die Stunde kommt, die Stunde kommt,
 Wo du an Gräbern stehst und klagst!

 Dann kniest du nieder an der Gruft
 Und birgst die Augen, trüb und naß,
 - Sie sehn den andern nimmermehr -
 Ins lange, feuchte Kirchhofsgras.

 Und sprichst: O schau auf mich herab,
 Der hier an deinem Grabe weint!
 Vergib, daß ich gekränkt dich hab!
 O Gott, es war nicht bös gemeint!

 Er aber sieht und hört dich nicht,
 Kommt nicht, daß du ihn froh umfängst;
 Der Mund, der oft dich küßte, spricht
 Nie wieder: Ich vergab dir längst!

 Er tat's, vergab dir lange schon,
 Doch manche heiße Träne fiel
 Um dich und um dein herbes Wort -
 Doch still - er ruht, er ist am Ziel!

 O lieb, solang du lieben kannst!
 O lieb, solang du lieben magst!
 Die Stunde kommt, die Stunde kommt,
 Wo du an Gräbern stehst und klagst!

[elevateme]

to play liszt well is probably dipABRSM. i mean, it is on par with say Beethoven op. 10 #2 or debussy's claire de lune. and, as you mention - just because they are 'song' transcriptions' and have a melody doesn't rule out those 'mini-cadenzas' that are sort of bridges or transitions from one place to another.

i'd agree that all three constitute a level of degree of difficulty past just 'looking at the notes' or 'looking at the rhythms and key.'

i really hope you are talking about the liebstraume and not liszt in general. because say for example the sonata, thats certainly not dipABRSM lol

[jazzyprof]

#3 (the most popular of the liebestraume) is based on the song 'o lieb, so lang du lieben kannst' by ferdinand freilgrath.  twould be interesting to know more.  like, what the words of the folk song were.

Pianistimo, in case your German is not up to snuff, here's a translation, provided by xvimbi:

O Love, as long as you are able to love
O Love as long as you have the desire to love.
The moment will come, the moment will come
where you'll be standing at the grave with regret.

Make sure your heart is full of fire
and full of love
as long as somebody else's heart
is full of love for you

And if somebody loves you
Be as nice as you can.
Make him happy all them time;
don't make him sad.

Don't utter any harsh words!
Soon, you may say a bad word,
Oh God, it wasn't meant that way.
Yet, he will be hurt and walk away.

[
O Love, as long as you are able to love
O Love as long as you have the desire to love.
The moment will come, the moment will come
where you'll be standing at the grave with regret.

You'll be kneeling at the grave,
eyes buried, full of tears,
they won't see the other anymore,
in the wet graveyard grass

Please look at me
Who is crying at your grave
Forgive my hurting you
It wasn't meant that way!

But he won't see you, won't hear you
Won't come back for you to comfort him
The lips that often kissed you
Won't talk again:
But I forgave you long ago!

Indeed he forgave you long ago
Still, he often cried
for you, and over your harsh words.
But quiet now! He rests, is there.

O Love, as long as you are able to love
O Love as long as you have the desire to love.
The moment will come, the moment will come
where you'll be standing at the grave with regret.
]

[pianistimo]

thanks for the translation, jazzyprof.  i remember reading it a long time ago - and it was as touching then as today.  when a person is younger they don't see the clock ticking - but as you get to mid-life and beyond (i suppose - as i'm not much past the middle yet  ) you realize that in those intense moments of love or hate - you realize they rise to the same intensities over someone you really care about.  it's sort of unexplainable.  i mean, unless you just cry a lot to get attention.  for my husband and myself - a good fight = love.  but, we always try to make up before the night is over.  or even a couple of hours.  it is true.  time better spent loving than hating.  one thing i can say - is i never didn't speak my mind.  is this good?  i mean - if my husband asks me my opinion and it's far to left field of his - then i try to qualify it by saying that i think his opinion is very valid, too...and that i need time to think about it.  i mean mary matiline and her husband?  what's his name - they're a couple where one is republican and democrat right?  and they discuss and debate - and still get along really great.

maybe it's the intent behind the times of disagreement?  i mean you can disagree and still love the person.  (although i am now stockpiling nuclear weapons to use on thal - just kidding).