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Offline instromp

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Blumenlied by Lange
on: January 02, 2007, 10:05:11 PM
Been playing this for a bit

Just thought i would record and share.

Still shaky not polished yet

enjoy  :D


I attached the sheets also.
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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 03:23:22 AM
advice wud be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 05:12:06 PM
you need no thick skin - a nice interpretation. i remember other recordings of you - i think you make fast progress!

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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
you need no thick skin - a nice interpretation. i remember other recordings of you - i think you make fast progress!

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Oh, thank you  :D

I thought it was that bad since no one responded to it.But thanks for your kind words.
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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 10:58:04 PM
I was reluctant to reply since I have never heard any recording for this piece so I have nothing to compare it to...

I liked it though, the only thing I felt sounded a bit odd was that I felt the chords were a bit too heavy, especially in the beginning. I think I would have liked it more if they flowed more smoothly and allowed for the main melody to give a dreamy-like state.
I reeeeeeeeeealy enjoyed the passionate part that starts at about measure 9 I think ;D

Good playing, Keep it up  ;)

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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 12:40:52 AM
It's not bad so far but I have a few comments.

in the beginning slow down a bit and allow the right hand melody to sing.
In the left hand in the beginning, try to make the rythm more even. 

I liked the last section with the octaves in the right hand very nicely done!and then cadenza-esque part  :)
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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 06:32:16 PM
It's not bad so far but I have a few comments.

in the beginning slow down a bit and allow the right hand melody to sing.
In the left hand in the beginning, try to make the rythm more even. 

I liked the last section with the octaves in the right hand very nicely done!and then cadenza-esque part  :)

I think i should have played the 'A'section the same speed as the 'C'section, would have made the interpretation better, i think i made it sound rushed with the way i played the opening...I know what you mean about letting the top notes sing in this, my teacher told me the same thing.

The triplets in the left hand trip me up every time XD.I can't find a decent recording of this by any pianist to help me  :-\

the last section is my favorite  :)
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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
advice wud be greatly appreciated.

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OK
you have done a lot, but there is a lot to be done more:

1. in the first part your triplets sound like 1/8+2/16.  Pull down the speed and you will make it.
Once you have played the theme your upbeats are becoming to heavy, and energy gets lost on the first beat.
In the theme entire flow should be directed towards the RE in bar 6 (the culmination), and then gradualy calm down, but in your playing this RE is to weak.

2. in the second theme (part) the left hand is slightly to loud, the melody should be pulled out a little bit more. The rallentando at the end of the first page is marked diminuendo and not crescendo. The cadenza on page 2 - it is marked zefirioso - thus it should be cristal clear; you make it a bit untidy.

3. the part in Bb-maj: the upbeat is not marked "largo" or "rittardando", so play it at tempo. Pay attention that not all octaves in the right hand are marked arpeggiato. Some are, and some are not. And you play arpeggiato not acurately following the score (to much ad libitum). And VERY IMPORTANT: the last arpeggiato beat in this section is one single arpeggiato from bass to treble (strats in left hand and continues in the right), not both hands at the same time.

4. finale: the 4th bar in tempo primo????? (I guess you already know it). In bar 7 arpeggiato sholud be as I mentioned above: from bass to treble. Coda: in 3 bars marked with "quasi arpa" (almost like an harp), in the left hand you do not play the 1/8 on the 4th beat, (there where are descending arpeggiato chords in the right). Why?

There is overall to much pedal. Reduce it a little bit and the effect will be better.

OK, Instromp. You have done good part of the job, but the piece is far from being finished. I never give comments on otherpeople's recording, but you have asked for it (and added the score). And seeing the good job you have done till now, just wanted to add a little help. Hope I succeded.

PS: no hard feelings;
this piece belongs to so called Salonmuziek; some consider it trivial, but musically talking it is far from being simple and easy).

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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 12:05:03 AM
OK
you have done a lot, but there is a lot to be done more:

1. in the first part your triplets sound like 1/8+2/16.  Pull down the speed and you will make it.
Once you have played the theme your upbeats are becoming to heavy, and energy gets lost on the first beat.
In the theme entire flow should be directed towards the RE in bar 6 (the culmination), and then gradualy calm down, but in your playing this RE is to weak.

2. in the second theme (part) the left hand is slightly to loud, the melody should be pulled out a little bit more. The rallentando at the end of the first page is marked diminuendo and not crescendo. The cadenza on page 2 - it is marked zefirioso - thus it should be cristal clear; you make it a bit untidy.

3. the part in Bb-maj: the upbeat is not marked "largo" or "rittardando", so play it at tempo. Pay attention that not all octaves in the right hand are marked arpeggiato. Some are, and some are not. And you play arpeggiato not acurately following the score (to much ad libitum). And VERY IMPORTANT: the last arpeggiato beat in this section is one single arpeggiato from bass to treble (strats in left hand and continues in the right), not both hands at the same time.

4. finale: the 4th bar in tempo primo????? (I guess you already know it). In bar 7 arpeggiato sholud be as I mentioned above: from bass to treble. Coda: in 3 bars marked with "quasi arpa" (almost like an harp), in the left hand you do not play the 1/8 on the 4th beat, (there where are descending arpeggiato chords in the right). Why?

There is overall to much pedal. Reduce it a little bit and the effect will be better.

OK, Instromp. You have done good part of the job, but the piece is far from being finished. I never give comments on otherpeople's recording, but you have asked for it (and added the score). And seeing the good job you have done till now, just wanted to add a little help. Hope I succeded.

PS: no hard feelings;
this piece belongs to so called Salonmuziek; some consider it trivial, but musically talking it is far from being simple and easy).

WoW  :o so much...

1.Im not that good with triplets though,espicially if they're in left hand.Since you say im playing it too heavy, is that why i am losing energy?And what is RE?

2.ok,got it.I knew the Cadenza wasnt its clearest.I always have to dedicate more time on it.

3.I got carried away with the arped octaves, i just liked the sound of it, but i know not to play it like that if it was for an exam.Ooh ok i see what you mean as you say to play the last arped chords 'separate' and not both hands.

4.really? didint realize know i wasnt playing it.

No hard feelings at all,i wanted this kind of help  ;)

Ok, thankyou stagefright on your very detailed analysis  :)
I will take you advice and try to apply what you say.
I will put a better recording up soon as i feel its ready to placed here again.
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Re: Blumenlied by Lange
Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 10:21:20 AM
my overall feeling is that you move your wrist upwards there where it sholud move down - that gives that feeling of weak energy.

the frasing has to be aimed somewhere: in the main theme it is the note RE (D) of the arpeggiato chord in bar 4, and then calming down.

excercizing cadenza:
- find the fingering which is the most comfortable to you
- play it slow with the wrist always up
- excercize with playing as if it was written 1/8 1/16 1/8 1/16 and so on
- then change to 1/16 1/8 1/16 1/8 and so on
- then try it as it should be - you will see: it will come out much better abd will seem quite easy

to obtain tranquillo feeling in the last bar play it legato in the way that the first chord in the right hand (marked piano) you play with the fingering 123; lift the finger 1 and 2 while keeping pressed the 3 and then go to the last chord with 125, with 5th finger slightly more stiff to make FA sounding. In your recording the end sound like RE -DO (D-C) instead of RE- FA (D-F)
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