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Offline imbetter

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"raping" music
on: January 26, 2007, 11:14:22 PM
NOTE: Nils this isnt an inappropriate thread.

I here this term quite often and I was wondering what it means



example: She just raped the don juan fantasy

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 11:17:51 PM
LISITSA DID NOT.  :(

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 11:23:48 PM
lang lang rapes the don juan fantasy, moreso than lisitsa.

im also looking forward to hearing you rape islamey, ibty.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
LISITSA DID NOT.  :(

no lisitsa did not that was just an example.


lang lang is a just a horible pianist.

im wondering what the term means
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 11:47:54 PM
haha it means destroying a piece; playing it really horribly.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 01:32:15 AM
ok thanks
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 01:38:22 AM
no problemo.
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I could hit or miss, but to just sit here like this
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #7 on: January 28, 2007, 12:58:19 AM
derez 2 kindz of rape

legendarily wikid rape:


and

embarrassingly sheet rape:

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #8 on: January 28, 2007, 01:21:52 AM
derez 2 kindz of rape

legendarily wikid rape:


and

embarrassingly sheet rape:


Poor Horowitz

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #9 on: January 28, 2007, 03:00:19 PM

rofl 

thats what i do at home with some chopin nocturnes. But *only* at home  ::)
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #10 on: January 28, 2007, 09:20:18 PM
rofl 

thats what i do at home with some chopin nocturnes. But *only* at home  ::)
and there's the difference

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #11 on: January 28, 2007, 10:58:15 PM
derez 2 kindz of rape

legendarily wikid rape:


and

embarrassingly * rape:


LOL THAT HUNGARIAN RHAPSODY WAS THE WORST THING IVE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!

the etude was pretty bad but not as bad
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #12 on: January 28, 2007, 11:47:49 PM
Greetings.

The hungarian rhapsody was technically splendid yes, but at times I had a hard time discerning just what exactly was behind that torrent of sound. Maybe because of the recording ruining sound quality.

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 03:57:23 PM
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 07:46:38 PM
I'm still cracking up.

The Beethoven remix sounds like Hooked on Classics or like some kind of elf video game quest.  Definitely ring tone material.

I always thought raping music was trying to play a piece of music technically beyond you so you end up with bad tone, etc.


(Bob feels compelled to exercise now.) 


Beethoven with a siren?  Haha. 



This is little more in line with my idea of raping music.  (Apologies to the performers.)  I don't know if pianists can rape music as well as other instruments.  We don't have control over pitch so much.

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5pD5RzQA0ck
Make it stop!  Make it stop!

I don't know if this is real...
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QHuTFRjec1Y

And if you do post something on youtube, make sure not to describe your fellow musicians as "horrible."  Ouch. 


Qualification for raping music?
The performer must be serious about performing the piece.
It must make the listener uncomfortable.  It should be painful to listen to.
It's probably technically out of reach for the performer(s) but they're still doing it anyway.
I'm not sure if a beginner can rape a piece of music.  They're just learning.

It is fun to find these though. 

Oh man... Accompanied by cheese keyboard?
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jAaw9KDlc3Y
Note the lack of an audience.  That might be a sign the performer is raping the piece too.

Another sign -- They don't stop.  They will continue the misery.

Maybe there are different types?  Like cheesy musical rape, over-technical rape, beginner rape... Maybe some type of boredom rape when the piece never ends...

 I believe the rape must take place with serious intent or in a serious performance forum.

I believe this one might also count...
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2XCxnjcCpHQ
It's some kind of something.  Haha.  (Bob has never tried this, nor the tromboon.)

This isn't quite it.  Comedic musical rape maybe.
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1ZyfZw6r8

Almost, but it doesn't count if they're beginners.
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uTyy8HwjOsM

This counts.  This one is a classical.  Out a few years ago.  Crank up the volume and weep. :)
https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bSpPPTwQ9c4
Maybe she'll run for president someday.

I thought these would be easier to find.

That's my amusement for the day.  It's nice to some poor performances once in awhile.  Cleanse the ears that way.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
it means to play something horribly
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
I always thought it means to play something super fast and thus screw it up a lot.




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Re: "raping" music
Reply #17 on: January 05, 2009, 10:49:24 PM
"The stock markets go up and down, Bach only goes up"

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #18 on: January 05, 2009, 11:05:41 PM
Kastle played that one great. He didn't fake it like the other pianists so don't ridicule him!
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 11:06:35 PM
I should not have even brought him up lol
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #20 on: January 06, 2009, 02:01:55 AM


This is not raping a piece.  Apparently there's a different set of terminology along these lines.  Maybe vulgar but possibly more accurate than the polite wording.




This guy is a little weird but I thought his comments were interesting.  The clock is ticking...


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Re: "raping" music
Reply #21 on: January 06, 2009, 08:07:22 AM

OMG!  What a wanker!
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #22 on: January 06, 2009, 02:23:24 PM
I always thought raping music was trying to play a piece of music technically beyond you so you end up with bad tone, etc.

I never really came across the term 'raping' music' as I'm new to the piano and learning music anyway, so I guess I could be accused of this crime too?! Then again how can anyone ever play a piece well straight off, we all rape music at some point...  :-\

I thought those dance remixes of classcal pieces raped the music of its beauty etc. I can't even belive the 3rd one though, its just hard house music over Beethoven's 9th :o.

Those vids were amusing though.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #23 on: January 06, 2009, 02:29:09 PM

I feel sorry for that guy!  :( Hope he wasn't too traumatised after.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVC9ESsA3Go

After hearing that one its nice to wash your ears out with:
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at least he plays the right notes :)
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #24 on: January 06, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
I never really came across the term 'raping' music' as I'm new to the piano and learning music anyway, so I guess I could be accused of this crime too?! Then again how can anyone ever play a piece well straight off, we all rape music at some point...  :-\
no, raping music refers to something very specific: You play a piece with ridiculous random and harsh accents, wild rubato and dynamic changes, brutal fortissimo, no consistency or beauty at all. Basically just going crazy. But it can also mean just playing ridiculously fast.
It works quite well with romantic music, you will probably especially often hear liszt raped.
I actually enjoy it sometimes and when i'm bored i do it with chopin^^
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #25 on: January 06, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
no, raping music refers to something very specific: You play a piece with ridiculous random and harsh accents, wild rubato and dynamic changes, brutal fortissimo, no consistency or beauty at all. Basically just going crazy. But it can also mean just playing ridiculously fast.

Thanks for the telling me the meaning of the word. Is it an intentional thing or is it something some people do without realising? maybe its both?

Yes I like to play a piece I have memoried as fast as possible for no reason other then I'm in a weird mood. :D its sounds like a record on the wrong speed setting. ;D

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i do it with chopin^^
Ooooooh, he wouldn't of liked that! :D
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #26 on: January 06, 2009, 05:01:18 PM
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Is it an intentional thing or is it something some people do without realising?
It usually is but on occasion it's unintentional. That happens if a piece is intended to be loud and fast by the composer; but when a rather unskilled pianist attempts to play it it may lack any delicacy in terms of dynamics, phrasing or dyncamics. There are also pieces out there which simply demand to be raped.

For example, the first part of mazeppa until the softer middle part begins is little else but loud, fast banging. Of course a some care is necessary and always better, but basically that's what it is.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #27 on: January 06, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
Kastle played that one great. He didn't fake it like the other pianists so don't ridicule him!
Oh come on! Are you one of those who accually belives him!?
Cziffra is like... way better than this, dude. If he was a great such pianist as he thinks he is, he would know when to shut it.

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Reply #28 on: January 06, 2009, 07:01:57 PM
No, i think with his level 10 technique he just rocks the boat and people are not willing to admit that.   :P
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #29 on: January 08, 2009, 10:57:24 PM
This kid is too young, but it's getting close.

I was surprised how this person described the video.  Kind of cruel.

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #30 on: January 08, 2009, 11:31:14 PM
This girl's quite good for 2 yrs old!
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #31 on: January 09, 2009, 03:18:15 PM

I was surprised how this person described the video.  Kind of cruel.

I was expecting it to be worse, who evers the one that said the boy is 'the most untalented boy in the world' is a complete wa*ker >:(, at least the boy manged to finish his piece and all those pauses actually sounded kind of like they were part of the piece. :D
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #32 on: January 09, 2009, 03:20:06 PM
This girl's quite good for 2 yrs old!
&feature=related ;)

lol what big hands she has! :o ;D and she has 3!
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #33 on: January 09, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
I rape music every time I practice. It's unintentional, but seeing as I'm the one who decided to practice in the first place, maybe you can consider it intentional?
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #34 on: January 09, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
I don't think that should count since it's practice.  However... The first time I heard the term used that way it was something like, "I was in a practice room and there was this guy raping a Beethoven sonata next door..."

Maybe it has something to forcing the listener to hear the music?  You can't really just stand up and leave during a recital.  Seems to be the performer doing invidiual pieces too, as opposed to a whole recital. 

At least by my definition of it.
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #35 on: January 09, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: chromatickler link=topic=23099.msg257210#msg257210

legendarily wikid rape:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru84UVcPHDo[/youtube]


Ha ha ha I don't like Liszt when it done well but this is just too funny
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #36 on: January 09, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
I know that I'll get roasted for this but, oh well.

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TGzBghERg

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #37 on: January 10, 2009, 01:20:51 PM
I know that I'll get roasted for this but, oh well.

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TGzBghERg
I also think it's a bad interpretation, but one can't listen without envy his articulation...

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Re: "raping" music
Reply #38 on: January 12, 2009, 01:54:49 AM
Did he a get a prize for getting to the end first? 
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #39 on: January 15, 2009, 04:10:09 AM
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Re: "raping" music
Reply #40 on: January 25, 2009, 03:38:35 AM

This is a kid, but I think he's pretty much... yeah.  But maybe he never heard the song.  5 mins?  And he doesn't stop.  That was just too painful.




Wow.  I thought she was.. special at first.

It's easy to find bad singers.  Hmm...


There's a whole series of spoofs.


No matter how bad you sound, there's probably someone out there who sounds worse (and might think they sound awesome).
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