Rimsky-Korsakove SchereazadeI am sure i have spelt that wrong, but you know what i mean.Thal
Ahaha we actually agree on something for once If you had read my post then you would have seen it is spelled "Scheherezade", as I also listed that as one of my favorite pieces.
Rachmaninov: Symphonic Dances and Isle of the Dead.
Just 10? Impossible! FIrst off, the responses so far, whether they cite 10, less than 10 of more than 10, tend for the most part fo be "favourites" rather than specifically "best" - which is almost certainly inevitable with a "poll" like this. I could name 10 that would do nicely for me - such asStrauss Ein HeldenlebenShostakovich Symphony No. 4Schönberg Pelleas un MelisandeVarèse Amériques (original version)Rakhmaninov Symphony No. 2 (or do I mean 1? - or perhaps 3?)Szymanowski Violin Concerto No. 1 (or do I mean 2?)Elgar Symphony No. 2Lutosławski Concerto for OrchestraCarter Concerto for OrchestraDutilleux Violin Concertobut as soon as I do so I realise that I've left out so very many more...Best,Alistair
and I better leave off there before I list 600 pieces :O
What would you say are the ten greatest orchestral pieces that are not piano concerti, or basically piano+orchestra? Am mostly asking because a lot of people on here probably listen to almost nothing but piano music, and it would be cool to hear some people's suggestions and look them up Henri Dutilleux- Cello Concerto (Rostropovich)Leonardo Balada- GuernicaKrzysztof Penderecki- Capriccio for Violin and OrchestraYves Prin- DioscuresPierre Boulez- "... ...explosante-fixe... ..."Nikolai Rimsky Korsakov- Scheherezade (Reiner + Chicago)Igor Stravinsky- Rite of Spring (Ozawa + Chicago)Benjamin Britten- Cello Symphony (Rostropovich)Alfred Schnittke- Symphony No. 8Arvo Part- Lamentate
I don't know how I never caught this, but that has a piano in it. In fact, it's almost a piano concerto.
soliloquy just admit that you never actually listen to music. You just decided at one point that avant-garde music would make you look smart so you just searched a bit on wikipedia (or similar web-sites) and to find some of the most important names. Than you learn the names of some of their pieces and you copy-past them here
Nominated for useless comment of the year.Wait, let's skip straight to the ceremony!YOU WIN!2/3rds of Russian orchestral music probably has a piano in it at some point. Would youcall Tzar Saltan a piano concerto? Anyway, just because the piano is playing a lot of the time doesn't mean it is in any way a solo piece o.O It is never billed as a concerto, and the piano is never pushed to the front of the stage. There are no candenzas, and the piano probably plays a total of 15 different chords throughout the entire 40 minute span of the piece.
Anyway, shall I count the number of different chords there are in Lamentate?
Uh, Pärt's Lamentate is for SOLO PIANO AND Large Orchestra. The piano has a VERY prominent role, and it is practically a piano concerto, in all but name. And the piano is pushed to the front of the stage. I have also seen the score and can scan a page that shows this. Tsar Saltan doesnt give the piano the same sort of role, so it is useless to draw a comparison.Agreed.What would counting chords do? It woulndn't disprove the fact that the piece has a solo piano in it.
You're a *** dumbass. Just admit it. Whenever you speak, your ignorance makes me cringe. Every time you say something, if it isn't offensively stupid, it is extremely offensively stupid. What you just said, may be the single most idiotic thing EVER UTTERED ON PIANOSTREET. That is the level of illogic that you are. You are dumber than elevateme, franzliszt2 and maul all thrown together, on valium. You make a thread with a total of two paragraphs about bad grammar, and manage to somehow put 60 (I counted and I can show you every one of them) grammatical, spelling and syntax errors in it, including in the title. Everything you say is either only a tangent of the truth or just completely and utterly false, and you are apparently so insanely stupid and have such a prodigiously low IQ that any logic in contradiction, and ALL logic will ALWAYS be in contradiction to you by the way, will simply be phased off of you due to your inability to comprehend even the most primally and animalistically basic fundaments of understanding. What is so incredibly sad and pathetic, and in your case due to the enmity I hold for you laughable, is that you seem to be constantly putting out these vain and (insert your own blissful ignorance) failed attempts to redeem any respectability whatsoever by attemping to converse about topics miles above your head. Even a thread about "Favorite pieces of music" is apparently too complex and semantically ostentatious for you to be able to understand and communicate in any decent, normal or logical way in.
It DOES have a solo piano! I could get anyone here on this forum (who hasn't heard the piece) to listen to the piece, and they would agree that it DOES have a solo piano. It isnt rocket science. Just take a look here, where is says Lamentate.https://arvopart.org/compositions.php?genre=orchestralDo you still want to dispute it?And tell me, why is the pianist always credited on the covers of CDs that the piece is on? If the piano soloist wasn't that important, he wouldn't be credited.
Harsh, but certainly no more than an ad himinem attack?And you didn't even comprehend the reason for my grammar-thread (i.e write as good as YOU can, nothing more nothing less.) I never said that I only wanted perfect grammer, since I can't write perfect English my self!
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.
Whatever. While you try and think of something to combat what I said, I'll be going over to my school library to rent the score, scan a few pages, and settle this once and for all.
Um, if you were to take out the piano part, there would be entire movements (or the majority of a movement) with silence. The piano part is far from unnecessary.
Ad HIMINEM? I have no idea what that is. Ad HOMINEM you mean? Here is the definition:
Ad HIMINEM? I have no idea what that is. Ad HOMINEM you mean? Here is the definition:Again, your logic fails you, and again, you display exactly what I said you would. You try to use big words you don't understand to attempt to look even remotely non-retarded, but fail miserably. I can not be using an ad hominem argument, because I did not disagree with your statement; I did not find it necessary, due to the ridiculousness of said statement. Also, your statement has to have "substance to be addressed"; otherwise I can not be avoiding aforementioned substance because it is non-existant. Logical Fallacy is more of a hard science than a soft science, and if you knew anything about it you would know that it is treated as thus. Your statement had no substance and was unsubstantiatable, therefore it is impossible to argue with. Your original assertion is also an ad hominem attack you hypocrite idiot. Notice I didn't use the word "argument", because I actually know what I'm talking about. Also, you were probably looking for "straw-man" as opposed to "ad hominem" in the first place genius. Or should I say "genious"?I will temporarily concede this argument to you as at this point I am not able to access the necessary resources to combat that. I will get back to this tonight. I'm only responding at all for the sake of avoiding the "no response", which is almost always understood as a concession.
Wow, you're just not a very nice person, are you? I'm an idiot, but at least a cute one.
You're a *** dumbass. Just admit it. Whenever you speak, your ignorance makes me cringe. Every time you say something, if it isn't offensively stupid, it is extremely offensively stupid. What you just said, may be the single most idiotic thing EVER UTTERED ON PIANOSTREET. That is the level of illogic that you are. You are dumber than elevateme, franzliszt2 and maul all thrown together, on valium. You make a thread with a total of two paragraphs about bad grammar, and manage to somehow put 60 (I counted and I can show you every one of them) grammatical, spelling and syntax errors in it, including in the title. Everything you say is either only a tangent of the truth or just completely and utterly false, and you are apparently so insanely stupid and have such a prodigiously low IQ that any logic in contradiction, and ALL logic will ALWAYS be in contradiction to you by the way, will simply be phased off of you due to your inability to comprehend even the most primally and animalistically basic fundaments of understanding. What is so incredibly sad and pathetic, and in your case due to the enmity I hold for you laughable, is that you seem to be constantly putting out these vain and (insert your own blissful ignorance) failed attempts to redeem any respectability whatsoever by attemping to converse about topics miles above your head. Even a thread about "Favorite pieces of music" is apparently too complex and semantically ostentatious for you to be able to understand and communicate in any decent, normal or logical way in.Anyway, shall I count the number of different chords there are in Lamentate? I have the score. Do you? Whose recording do you have? Have you ever heard the piece? *** no. jre's comment up there, while pointless, at least had some mild form of adolescent logic behind it. What you just said is so utterly and confoundingly unsubstantiatable and obviously wrong I feel as though I should be writing a dissertation on it; I would assuredly win the Nobel, for discovering you. The intellectual missing link! The grants would pour in. Now GTFO.
Best NON piano orchestral piecesMessiaen - Des canyons aux etoilesMessiaen - Oiseaux ExotiquesMessiaen - Turangalila SymphonyStrauss - BurlesqueSzymanowski - Symphony No.4 ConcertanteBoulez - Sur incisesWebern - Concerto for 9 instrumentsCan't think of any other right now.
Best NON piano orchestral piecesMessiaen - Des canyons aux etoilesMessiaen - Oiseaux ExotiquesMessiaen - Turangalila SymphonyStrauss - BurlesqueSzymanowski - Symphony No.4 ConcertanteBoulez - Sur incisesWebern - Concerto for 9 instrumentsBeethoven - Chorale fantasyCan't think of any other right now.
You would have been cute if it was 1989, but it's 2007. So you're a coin-flip between "ok" and "odd-looking". Cut your hair and stop wearing red and you'd be cute though <3 Although I don't think you're an idiot; I think you are one of the few-and-far-between sane and coherent members of this forum. But then again you haven't been here very long. Just look at Mozartian; she used to be very nice, but pianostreet turned her into evil. I think the unrelentingly inferior and/or lack of logic, the misinformation and most importantly the boringness of such slowly scrapes away your willingness to try to explain your opposing views in any sort of constructive format. Same happened to thalbergmad, same happened to JRE aka retrouvailles, same happened to koji. They/us all used to try to be helpful, but now we've developed the habit of coming here which is unfortunate because we no longer have the patience to deal with BS. Would you honestly say that meph's assertion that I do not actually listen to music and just copy/paste wiki is utter BS? Anyway, I think I am selectively mean and selectively nice. I'm generally only assholes to other assholes, and my posts seem to stick out because I curse more
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