brahms piano concerti editions

[walking_encyclopedia]

im planning on purchasing the brahms concerti, and i need to choose a good edition. i'd get henle urtext but i cant find it (darnit) plus i need a piano reduction of the orchestra part

any ideas? i also would really like to have the solo part by itself. some editions will do that, they'll have the solo part alone, and then the solo part with the accompaniment.

however having a solo part alone is not as important as having a really good solid edition. i cant get dover, and im trying to not get schirmer. any links to a urtext?

thanks, help is appreciated

dan

[iumonito]

Why can't you get Dover?  The reduction ones are entirely adequate and you get both works in one book.

You can get teh Eulenburg urtext (Badura-Skoda) to supplement. It is a mini in full score, so I would not recommend it as your music stand source.  It is impecable musicologically, thought.

[walking_encyclopedia]

Why can't you get Dover?  The reduction ones are entirely adequate and you get both works in one book.
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ive had some bad experiences with dover editions, and would prefer a different edition. heck, id get schirmer b4 id get dover

sometimes dover seems more like a 'read-along to a recording' version than a study edition.

just my opinion ;-)

[pianistimo]

didn't kurt masur write an edition? 

i really don't know much about brahms concerto editions, but i am curious which ones (preferably german?) would have the most sidenotes and details.

brahms first offerred his earliest works to breitkopf and hartel.  then - after a disagreement with them, he moved to johann rieter-biederman and nikolais simrock.  simrock had the most long term relationship with brahms even though earlier brahms had contributed much to breitkopf.  peters tried to buy stuff from simrock - but was unsucessful  to get much.

here is the site:https://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:_HCBpR1MMGkJ:memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/moldenhauer/2428117.pdf+simrock+edition+brahms&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

[pianistimo]

you have to scroll down.

is boosey-hawkes the sole selling agents of simrock in usa?

[pianistimo]

here's something off the subject but still on brahms that might be interesting to you:
https://www.wguc.org/content/display.asp?id=39

[walking_encyclopedia]

here is the site:https://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:_HCBpR1MMGkJ:memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/moldenhauer/2428117.pdf+simrock+edition+brahms&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

i cant open the link!

but hey thanks for all the info i really appreciate it

[iumonito]

ive had some bad experiences with dover editions, and would prefer a different edition. heck, id get schirmer b4 id get dover

sometimes dover seems more like a 'read-along to a recording' version than a study edition.

just my opinion ;-)

Dover is as good as what they decide to reprint.  Their Brahms, edited by Mandyczewsky, is excellent.  Their Beethoven piano solo sonatas are also excellent.  Their Rachmaninov also excellent.

What bad experience did you have with Dover?

[walking_encyclopedia]

Dover is as good as what they decide to reprint.  Their Brahms, edited by Mandyczewsky, is excellent.  Their Beethoven piano solo sonatas are also excellent.  Their Rachmaninov also excellent.

What bad experience did you have with Dover?

my bad experience was scriabin etudes; it had some note errors, and absolutely no fingerings (which i rarely follow but sometimes they're good). but if you can vouch for the mandyczewsky, ill see if its better. thanks

[iumonito]

I vouch for Mandy.  Brahms was very exacting with his proofreading and Eusebius, Brahms student and friend, had the benefit of Brahms handwritten corrections on the first editions.

Let me check my score of the concertos, though, to make sure they are Mandyzcewsky's too.  For some reason I have in my head they are Sauer's, which is not bad (same as Peters).

In the meantime, you can get number one at pianostreet for free.

[iumonito]

I checked.  There is no editor for the Doyer volume of the concertos with a piano reduction of the orchestra.   Breitkopf & Hartel, so probably the original edition!

[quantum]

my bad experience was scriabin etudes; it had some note errors, and absolutely no fingerings (which i rarely follow but sometimes they're good). but if you can vouch for the mandyczewsky, ill see if its better. thanks

I know what you mean from Scriabin.  You have to remember that Dover reprints, and such errors were probably there from the original publisher. 

I have an old Peters Edition of the Brahms 2nd.  I also have several of the late piano solo works in Peters.