Stupid kid

[gilad]

Trying to ban smoking while driving. Wha the hell? Where did this little angel get such a platform to voice his juvenile opinion. Little darling wont be so happy if the law is past when he starts smoking in 3 years.

Seriously, i enjoy smoking while i drive. Id be pissed off.

[ahinton]

Trying to ban smoking while driving. Wha the hell? Where did this little angel get such a platform to voice his juvenile opinion. Little darling wont be so happy if the law is past when he starts smoking in 3 years.

Seriously, i enjoy smoking while i drive. Id be pissed off.

What you or anyone else may enjoy in such a situation is not the point; the point is would not smoking while driving be advantageous from the general road safety point of view as not consuming alcohol while or shortly before driving; similar arguments could just as easily be put forward for not listening to certain music while driving if it affects the reactions, the emotions etc. adversely from a safe driving point of view. I'm not necessarily advocating legislation banning smoking or listening while driving - merely pointing out that anything that might risk adversely affecting a driver's ability to control a lethal weapon on a public road is potentially up for legislative grabs.

Best,

Alistair

[henrah]

Alistair makes a good point.

Who is this stupid kid anyway?

[gilad]

Some american kid. I think he's idea is that is there are children in the car, then you cant smoke. I dont know. Its nonsense. There are certain things that people should have the prerogative to do in the presence of their children. smoking in the car is one them. Yes, Allister makes a good point. Certainly anything that impairs your ability to drive to the extent that alcohol or a big mac and fries does should potentially be investigated to assess its risk to the driver and other raod users. However there are many things that may pose a risk to drivers,like people who drive in high heel shoes id imagine, or possibly insomniacs that dont get enough sleep at night, people with out of date prescription glasses, people with excessively long nails.

Look, by all means let them look into it. I just think its stupid.

Its like the kid added one health risk: smoking
To another risk: driving

And deducted that the two are a lethal combination.

like 1+1=2

i dont know, its a matter of opnion really, ive already expressed mine i guess.

Heres the basic story

CNN https://www.cnn.com/

https://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17817660&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7581&rfi=6

I dont agree with the proposed ban, im sure some of you will.

may the most rational argument, and most sane school of thought win.

I dont know why i am bothered. I live in south africa.

We can smoke cannabis in our cars and pay a $10 bribe to a police officer to get off the hook. Of course i dont smoke weed. And i am exagerating, but if you get the right cop, anything is possible.

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

I think the important factor to consider here is not the immediate damage smoking does to you whilst driving (it does that every time you inhale), but of the inhibitions it poses on your concentration level. Nicotine is actually a stimulant, so it provides temporary increase in metabolism and focus power, but it will also cause you to shift your focus and thus make you more prone to accidents. As you smoke in the car, more second hand smoke will accumulate and pose a greater danger to those around you, even if the windows are open.

[debussy symbolism]

may the most rational argument, and most sane school of thought win.

The most rational thought is to not to smoke.

[prometheus]

Isn't that already illegal? I thought most countries had laws where using two hands on the  steering wheel.

I guess it kind of depends on how busy the roads are.

[debussy symbolism]

Well I think they are trying to prohibit the usage of cell phones whilst driving, and for good reason. Same applies to smoking. You are driving, you are focusing on that, but when you are smoking, you are focusing on two things and driving becomes much more perilous.

[elspeth]

I think he's idea is that is there are children in the car, then you cant smoke. I dont know. Its nonsense. There are certain things that people should have the prerogative to do in the presence of their children. smoking in the car is one them.

So far as that goes, then I suppose if they're your kids and you aren't doing anything illegal then fine... if you choose on their behalf to ignore the current advice on passive smoking, that's up to you. I think you're wrong to do so, but that comes down to a matter of our opinions.

However... I hope you would extend your point to allow for consideration for other passengers whose lives you don't have legal control over. I am a special case because I'm allergic to nicotine, and am now potentially asthmatic as well, so if you smoke in your car I wouldn't get in it in the first place (unless there was a serious crisis) because the smell of stale smoke alone would be enough to make me ill. In fact, in the real world (isn't the internet wonderful!) the minute I found out you smoke I would very probably stop building any kind of relationship with you because your habit would make me ill... the few smokers who have made it into my circle of friends are those who are considerate to the point they don't even smoke in their own houses, they do so in their gardens. I probably lose out on knowing a lot of wonderful people like this, but it doesn't matter how wonderful they are if I can't bear to be in the same room with them.

But cases like me aside... at very least, being considerate about who you smoke in front of is not 'nonsense'. Plenty of people prefer not to be trapped in a confined space with someone who's smoking. OK, so it's your car and they're therefore in your space - but circumstances do occur, everything from the sociable 'let's go out for the day, I'll pick you up' to emergency scenarios, when they are either there at your invitation or there because of an emergency, and offhand I can't think of one that justifies not asking the people you share your space with if they mind your smoking. It may be your space, but although this may make me old-fashioned, I don't believe that justifies you in being ill-mannered because of your vice.

The problem with smoking (bearing in mind the health problems it gives me) is not that I mind you smoking, I mind that if you smoke I have to as well if we're in the same room - and in a confined space like a car I can't get away from you.

[gilad]

I do ask people in my car if they mind if i smoke before i do it.

I wont light up if they say no.

I dont mind not smoking for the sake of passengers.

I concede the smoking is not rational.

But coming from a 10 year old that is quoted as saying something close to this " I was driving with my mom one day when i thought to myself, why is driving and smoking not banned, whilst eating or speaking on your cell phone is"

Dont smoke people, it's a filthy habit.

Especially to young forumers!

One thing that makes quitting hard for me is the fact that i enjoy smoking while i drive more than any other time.

Anyway.

some provocative replies. they made me think about it.

[pianolearner]

Isn't that already illegal? I thought most countries had laws where using two hands on the  steering wheel.

I guess it kind of depends on how busy the roads are.

Using two hands on the steering wheel!? It doesn't depend on how busy the roads are. A law like that would mean a large proportion of people break the law many times over whenever they drive. Once to go from Neutral to 1st gear, Once to go from 1st gear to 2nd, Once to go from 2nd gear to 3rd etc...then back again...  

[ahinton]

Well I think they are trying to prohibit the usage of cell phones whilst driving, and for good reason. Same applies to smoking. You are driving, you are focusing on that, but when you are smoking, you are focusing on two things and driving becomes much more perilous.

I cannot speak for other countries' existing or proposed legislation, but in UK it has become illegal only to use a hand held mobile phone while driving; the idea of this legislation is to encourage drivers to use hands-free phone kits.

I agree with all that "elspeth" says, by the way (and I'm sorry to hear about the asthma.

Best,

Alistair

[pianolearner]

I cannot speak for other countries' existing or proposed legislation, but in UK it has become illegal only to use a hand held mobile phone while driving; the idea of this legislation is to encourage drivers to use hands-free phone kits.

I agree with all that "elspeth" says, by the way (and I'm sorry to hear about the asthma.

Best,

Alistair

Does this mean we will soon see hands-free smoking kits?

[franzliszt2]

Trying to ban smoking while driving. Wha the hell? Where did this little angel get such a platform to voice his juvenile opinion. Little darling wont be so happy if the law is past when he starts smoking in 3 years.

Seriously, i enjoy smoking while i drive. Id be pissed off.

I know someone who died becasue of a person  like you smoking and driving, and distracted and run him over. So why not take that into account before blasting your stupid opinion about  smoking in a car. Kill yourself with ciggarettes, but don't be selfish and kill others. I can't wait for smoking to be banned in pubs in England, it'll be great, I don;t have to stink all the time. It's so annoying, and whats more annoying is that smokers complain about the matter!! They have no argument whatsoever! It's a case of " I want to smoke, so I will" regardless of the fact that they are killing everyone around them, making them stink, and giving them sore throats.

Why not quit? Don't say becasue it's hard to, because thats the easy answer to give, look into yuourself, and truely ask yourself. Look at the causes! Does that not put you off alone?? The sight of people wiht tubes in their necks, and lung cancer would make make me wanna quit pretty badly. I don't smoke, but I would like to think that if I did, I could quit easily bearing in mind I'm gonna die becasue of it, and ruin my life! Smoking is altogether a waste of time.

Will you call the "Little angel" juvenile if you have an accident and kill a 5 year old girl? Will you then voice your opinions? Will you then continue to smoke in the car whilst driving?

The kid sounds a hell of a lot more intelligent than you. She actually has a valid point. Yours is just a worthless selfish opinion.  You cannot drive and smoke at the same time. Toy have to hold it, which means that the hand holding it is not in full control of it's actions, whether it be changing gears or steering. What if you drop it? You just let it burn on you? no, you'll have to pick it up, and that requires concentration. And if little sarah is running around, and steps out in front of the car BOOOM! your a killer!

[gilad]

I modified my response here to FL2.
Basically i have you worked out.
F*cking Loser and the number of your IQ.
You are either the most thoughtless person i have encountered online or you are total bafoon.
Please take a course in senstivity training and pershaps E.I
Im sorry about your friend, even though it sounds like quite a feat to prove that the reason for the accident was smoking!!! Unbelievable. You cant prove that.
Have a good day everyone else.
 

I will say one thing about smoking and driving however, I have often considered what should happen if you are smoking, have an accident, lose consciousness, and as a result are left with a burning ciggarette on or next to you, surrounded by flamable materials, including fuel.

[prometheus]

Well I think they are trying to prohibit the usage of cell phones whilst driving, and for good reason.

It's already illegal here and I think everywhere across Europe.


But what do I know. I neither have a car nur a cell phone...

[gilad]

Cell phones are outlawed here while driving and with very good reason.

Prometheus, how in this day and age can you be a part of the world without a cell phone? Im serious. Are you fan of richard branson? Ironically he doesnt have one either. I dont know how he manages.
But i would feel so cut off without one.
I guess its also improtant in a dangerous country such as this to be able to reach people and police at all times.

[debussy symbolism]

I don't carry a cell phone. Occassionally I use one, but most of the time I get by without it. I either make appointments over the phone or in person. A cell phone is not necessary and is superfluous. In fact I actually detest them. They are objects that take up time, are a nuisance and very annoying, especially whenever one is activated with a ring tone in a public place. In school all I see is teenagers typing endless messages to their buddies; always talking to their friends about another stupid party they are going to and when they are going to meet at the mall to hang out there for several hours-a most authentic waste of time. Sure, there is a time and place for cell phones, such as when you want someone to pick you up, but to continually use them and carry them is not good and is a perfect killer of time.

[pianolearner]

Sure, there is a time and place for cell phones, such as when you want someone to pick you up, but to continually use them and carry them is not good and is a perfect killer of time.

Just like the spare wheel. There is a time and place for it but why carry it around with you everywhere you drive? You can use that space for other things like an extra pair of running shoes.

[ahinton]

Just like the spare wheel. There is a time and place for it but why carry it around with you everywhere you drive? You can use that space for other things like an extra pair of running shoes.

Do I take you to mean so that you can use these whenever the car is immobilised by tyre damage and you have no spare tyre?

Best,

Alistair

[pianolearner]

Do I take you to mean so that you can use these whenever the car is immobilised by tyre damage and you have no spare tyre?

Best,

Alistair

Yes. But as luck would have it, the day I removed the running shoes to make room for the fishing tackle, I get a puncture!

[soliloquy]

When you've smoked for a while the physical logistics of it become so inate it does not effect your driving capabilities.

[franzliszt2]

I modified my response here to FL2.
Basically i have you worked out.
F*cking Loser and the number of your IQ.
You are either the most thoughtless person i have encountered online or you are total bafoon.
Please take a course in senstivity training and pershaps E.I
Im sorry about your friend, even though it sounds like quite a feat to prove that the reason for the accident was smoking!!! Unbelievable. You cant prove that.
Have a good day everyone else.
 

I will say one thing about smoking and driving however, I have often considered what should happen if you are smoking, have an accident, lose consciousness, and as a result are left with a burning ciggarette on or next to you, surrounded by flamable materials, including fuel.

Yeh whatever. The guy was smoking at the time, and was found guilty! So stop looking for an excuse you ignorant thing. Your aloser who smoke in acar becasue he wants to stink! You are weakminded, and if your prepared to risk killing people becasue of a litte stick that gives you cancer. Why are you even on a piano forum??? Dio you smoke when you practice?

[gilad]

Frans Frans relax. You are being petty. I have no time in my life which is focused on the profound, for trivial argumentation with a person that lives thousands of kilometres away from myself.
I hardly smoke, so chill please, i smoke when im out, and i smoke when im driving to a stressful meeting or appointment.

Now heres food for thought:

Can you imagine a road full of smokers that are craving their next fix?

I dont know if you can imagine the feeling. But its something like wanting to have your first bite of food in the morning, or it feels like you are late for a meeting and you have to get there real quick. People would be driving like idiots so that they could get to destination light up. they would not be focused on the road, on other cars, pedestrians, traffic signals. That would be much worse than smoking while driving.

It wouldnt be pretty.

[le_poete_mourant]

Frans Frans relax. You are being petty. I have no time in my life which is focused on the profound, for trivial argumentation with a person that lives thousands of kilometres away from myself.
I hardly smoke, so chill please, i smoke when im out, and i smoke when im driving to a stressful meeting or appointment.

Now heres food for thought:

Can you imagine a road full of smokers that are craving their next fix?

I dont know if you can imagine the feeling. But its something like wanting to have your first bite of food in the morning, or it feels like you are late for a meeting and you have to get there real quick. People would be driving like idiots so that they could get to destination light up. they would not be focused on the road, on other cars, pedestrians, traffic signals. That would be much worse than smoking while driving.

It wouldnt be pretty.

Dude.  Chill.  You're the one who started this squabble.

The point here is not a complete ban on smoking, but a ban on smoking WHILE KIDS ARE IN THE CAR.  TO PROTECT THEM FROM 2ND HAND SMOKE.

[gilad]

No more squabbling. FL2. Im sorry, how childish of me to have reacted that way in the first place. thanks for pointing it out to me le-poete.
Please note however that your use of language and choice of words touched home in a big way, in a serious way. Regardless i should not have let them upset me, and even if they did, i should not have been a hard ass with you. sincerely sorry.

Ok, so then i think you will have many drivers with kids in their cars racing to get to a place where they can light up. Still sounds bad to me. maybe the answer is to build smoking compartments into the drivers seats. That way the problem might be solved. This a political discuassion, i would never have started it if i had been aware of that.
Enjoy your day everyone!!!!!!!
A special mention for Frans, I wish you a smoke free day.

[pianolearner]

No more squabbling. FL2. Im sorry, how childish of me to have reacted that way in the first place. thanks for pointing it out to me le-poete.
Please note however that your use of language and choice of words touched home in a big way, in a serious way. Regardless i should not have let them upset me, and even if they did, i should not have been a hard ass with you. sincerely sorry.

Ok, so then i think you will have many drivers with kids in their cars racing to get to a place where they can light up. Still sounds bad to me. maybe the answer is to build smoking compartments into the drivers seats. That way the problem might be solved. This a political discuassion, i would never have started it if i had been aware of that.
Enjoy your day everyone!!!!!!!
A special mention for Frans, I wish you a smoke free day.

gilad,

I'm not sure if you realise how sensitive non-smokers are to cigarette smoke, this is because they are not exposed to it as often. I can smell cigarette smoke when I'm stuck in traffic and someone somewhere lights up. What annoys me about some(many) smokers is that they feel they have a RIGHT to smoke whenever they feel like without any regard for those around them. I'm glad that laws were passed ban smoking in many public places, otherwise non-smokers would forever be at the mercy of thoughtless smokers. You see, it takes LAWS to make many smokers "courteous". Whenever I'm with a smoker and they ask if I mind if they smoke I usually say "No, I don't mind", even if I do. If someone does not ask when they light up, I usually ask(TELL) them NOT to smoke around me. My car and my house are STRICTLY NON-SMOKING.

This is why Non-smokers react so harshly to smokers who complain about their "rights".

[gilad]

I understand. Really I do.

[le_poete_mourant]

In any case, the law probably won't have much success because it's not an issue of public places.  It's legally acceptable for the government to regulate smoking behavior in a public place such as a bar or restaurant; but in a car, which is private property, I don't think there's much legal standing for it. 

[pianolearner]

In any case, the law probably won't have much success because it's not an issue of public places.  It's legally acceptable for the government to regulate smoking behavior in a public place such as a bar or restaurant; but in a car, which is private property, I don't think there's much legal standing for it. 

Drinking (being drunk) and driving and talking on your mobile phone whilst driving are illegal even though they take place inside private property. The reason being that you are driving on a public road. I agree that there probably won't be a law against driving and smoking because there isn't enough evidence to show that it is dangerous. Or more precisely, not enough people have been killed yet as a direct result of smoke driving. As for smoking with kids in the car, it's very difficult to legislate against stupidity.