How Many Waltzes did CHopin write?

[eric9]

I have a CD with 19 on it, one I just love, on the CD it's performed right before the "Minute" Waltz, very robust, uplifting sounding piece.  This weekend I went to the library and checked out the Schrimer edition of Chopin's Waltzes, it only had 16.  I read through them all and although there are some great pieces to work on, not the particular Waltz I was looking for.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a more complete edition? Thanks, Eric

[imbetter]

i thought there were only 15

[nicco]

He made 20 of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_waltzes_by_Chopin

[thalbergmad]

Agreed on 20, or at least i have 20 scores.

13 with opus
2 posthumous
KK1Va Nr 10,11,13 & 14
KKanh, 1a/7

Thal

[desordre]

 Dear fellows:
 That's a very interesting question. Follows what I found in the Grove, and it's surprising: neither the 20 nor the 15 I have in my Urtext edition.

17 waltzes confirmed to be by the composer.
Opus 18 (Eb, 1831–2)
Opus 34/1 (Ab, 15 Sept 1835)
Opus 34/2 (a, c1834)
Opus 34/3 (F, 1838)
Opus 42 (Ab, 1840)
Opus 64/1 (Db, 1847)
Opus 64/2 (c#, 1847)
Opus 64/3 (Ab, 1847)
Opus 69/1 (Ab, 1835)
Opus 69/2 (b, 1829)
Opus 70/1 (Gb, 1832)
Opus 70/2 (f, 1842)
Opus 70/3 (Db, 1829)

IVb/11 (a, 1847)
IVa/12 (E, c1829)
IVa/13 (Ab, 1830)
IVa/15 (e, 1830)

Furthermore, there are 12 lost waltzes:
waltz, a, 1824, ded. Countess Łubieńska;
in C, KK Vb/8, ?1824;
in C, B p.11, KK Vb/3, 1826;
in Ab, KK Vb/4, 1827;
in d (’La partenza’), B p.23, KK Vb/6, 1828;
in Ab, KK Vb/5, B p.62, 1829 or 1830;
in Eb, KK Vb/7, 1829 or 1830, listed in catalogue by Ludwika Jędrzejewicz;
KK Ve/10, listed in auction catalogue, Paris, March 1906;
KK Ve/11, mentioned in letters from Breitkopf & Härtel to Izabela Barcińska, 1878;
KK Ve/12, mentioned in diary of L. Niedźwiecki, 1845;
Waltz in B, KK Va/3, 12 Oct 1848, ded. Mrs Erskine;
MS, title page only, formerly owned by W. Westley Mannings (London)

Finally, two doubtful works:
‘Valse mélancolique’, f#, KK Ib/7, CI;
Waltz in Eb, KK IVa/14, 1827

 Hope this helps. Best wishes!

[eric9]

So does anyone have the set of 20 online to share?

[desordre]

 Dear Thal:
 I'm looking at your list, and we are near the truth!
 - 13 with opus number: OK;
 - the 2 posthumous are IVa/12 and IVa/15;
 - IVb/11 & Iva/13 match the Grove list of authentical.
 (those are the 17)

 - IVa/14 is a doubtful work, or at least it was back in 2003.
 - your Ia/7 isn't Ib/7?
 (19 so far)

 Miss one that I didn't find (Va/10).

 Do you have any other source to compare?
 Best!

[desordre]

 Dear Eric:
 The Forum have it in its database, so I don't think anyone will post it here.
 Best!

[cygnusdei]

I love Op. 69 no. 1 - because it reminds me of Welcome to the Dollhouse .... heh heh

[imbetter]

I must have gotten 'scammed' because my book "complete waltzes and scherzos" only came with 15 waltzes

[thalbergmad]

Always beware of the word "complete".

The others are of no great value when compared to the 15.

Thal

[desordre]

  Dear Thal:

Always beware of the word "complete".

The others are of no great value when compared to the 15.

Very true.
 Twice.
 Best!

[cygnusdei]

I must have gotten 'scammed' because my book "complete waltzes and scherzos" only came with 15 waltzes

Which edition is this?

[phil13]

Dover, the same one I have.

But I am in complete agreement with Thal, you are not losing anything in the last 5 waltzes, with the possible exception of No.20 in F# minor.

The best of the posthumous waltzes is the E minor one anyway, which is included, so it's fine.

Phil

[cygnusdei]

Dover, the same one I have.

The Dover editor was diligent enough to name the volume "Waltzes and Scherzos" instead of "Complete Waltzes and Scherzos".

[phil13]

Oops, you're right! My bad! 

No idea which one it is, then. You're still not missing much, Ibty.

Phil